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Postby Imran500 » Mon May 14, 2012 11:41 am

Have you guys heard of these? They are basically chinese clones of boutique pedals offered at ridiculously low prices, for example this one sold under the name Harley Benton by Thomann is an OCD Fulltone clone. The OCD is priced at £130, this copy is... get this : £23

http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ultimate_drive.htm?sid=f5e83f8e209645166bce2ccb2ec1338c
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby zenguitar » Mon May 14, 2012 12:41 pm

With FX pedals I'm more interested in what they do than what they cost. Especially when you consider that a lot of expensive boutique pedals are very similar to some very cheap and basic pedals from the 60's and 70's.

I'd be more than happy to try any of the Joyo pedals and if I liked what they did I would buy them. My only issue is that you have to buy before you try and rely on the Distance Selling Regulations if you don't like them. I imagine that some people will just buy them anyway and if they don't like them will shift them on ebay or just put them away in the back of the cupboard.

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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Imran500 » Mon May 14, 2012 3:49 pm

One thing I've noticed is that it's sometimes pretty tough to try pedals you're interested in out as no one local seems to have them.

I've probably wasted a good 50-60 pounds on postage there and back just to demo a pedal over the last couple of months.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby AardvarkG » Mon May 14, 2012 8:30 pm

Iv got one!!!! Best £30 iv spent! Iv got the vintage drive 'Ts808 clone', iv never had a real tube screamer... But sounds better than any boss pedal iv tried! Can sustain a note on my cheapest strat copy for enternity if you position yourself right! True bypass aswell, unlike the ibanez or boss pedals! Again sounds GREAT! Many reviews on the internet with people claiming they are REPLACING their Ts808, or buying two and layering them up using them alongside £150+ pedals.... I couldn't find a bad review within a month of searching! So I got one, only two complaints... Horrible colour, and modest click when amps at stage/rehearsal volumes!

Coda music sell them, mine was £29.90 with postage... I'd highly recommend it!!!

Hope you find what your looking for :)

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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby AardvarkG » Mon May 14, 2012 8:43 pm

Looking at your link... They arn't the same as the pedals i was looking at... Extremely similar, curiously similar.... But mine where labeled "joyo" as I said take a look at Coda music!

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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Imran500 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:08 pm

It seems people are selling them under their own brand names like Harley Benton in Thomann. Some unscrupulous wankers actually started repainting them and selling them for significantly more, a company called Freekish Blues apparently did that and put some gloop on the insides to hide the fact that the circuit boards were Joyo ones!
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby 4TrackMadman » Wed May 16, 2012 11:06 pm

Imran500 wrote:It seems people are selling them under their own brand names like Harley Benton in Thomann. Some unscrupulous wankers actually started repainting them and selling them for significantly more, a company called Freekish Blues apparently did that and put some gloop on the insides to hide the fact that the circuit boards were Joyo ones!

That goes to show you how much of this is hype.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby narcoman » Sun May 20, 2012 8:12 am

I collect pedals. Got around 200. I'll buy a couple and check em out. Then I'll take em apart.

I've noticed they're buffered bypass - good buffers are not cheap so I'd be looking at that as one of the shortcuts.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Gary_W » Sun May 20, 2012 8:59 am

Thanks for the link - I haven't seen these but will check them out. I don't have 'brand blinkers' in any respect :)

As an aside, I've built a few of my own pedals and (whilst not all good) I've had some great results. Built some on vero board but there's a chap in the US who sells PCB's ready for you to mount your components. These boards worked out well under £10 delivered and were dead easy for the average solder jockey.

There is one company whose name I won't mention who do a mojo fuzz pedal. Because their waiting list and online buzz is compelling they have no shortage of people willing to give them £300. Many online folks have taken these apart and it apears that the circuit used is pretty much a plain old fashioned fuzz with a few values tweaked. As this is the case, the circuit is not patented (that's my understanding from the circuit board maker in the USA anyway - you can't patent this stuff as the boutique things are barely tweaked clones of classic non-patented design so no robbery is occurring).

I built one - I suffered from curiosity at 'what does a £300 fuzz sound like?'.... Including the board from the US, the enclosure and a decent switch it cost <£25. Of course, my curiosity at what the *real one* sounds like is not satisfied as without shelling out £300 I cannot compare but on paper this one is identical...... The good news is that it's a wonderful little box that I'm very happy with so whether it's a genuine clone or an 'almost ran' matters not. It makes my ears happy for very little cash and making a pedal keeps the other side of the brain going vs playing instruments :)

And this *isn't* me saying that the £300 real one isn't worth it - from my current standpoint it seems crazy money but I would never dismiss something I haven't tried and if someone is entirely happy with their purchase then no robbery has taken place IMO. My tight-arse gene is strong though so my name isn't going on the waiting list for a 'real' one :)
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby matt keen » Sun May 20, 2012 9:29 am

I bought an Ultimate Drive and a Dynamic Compressor this week and tried the Vintage drive

Well the Ultimate Drive is very very similar to the Fulltone OCD and the compressor is just as close to the MXR Dyna comp.
I was going to get the OCD but didnt bother - the Joyos are really very very good

There is a disclaimer - I use this for recording and a very few informal gigs
Serious gigging they would need to be tested - my main concern is that the switches and ins and outs on these are all connected directly to the PCB and could well break
Not a prob for me and certainly not at this price. I was quite prepared to pay the £100 plus prices for the OCD etc but didnt feel the need. And Iwould have paid the extra for say a 5% hike in performance.
Sound wise they are excellent and really quiet
Availability - Coda Music in Luton and Stevenage have all of the range and may well be the main importer of the Joyos
Oh the vintage drive - which I didnt need sounds almost exactly like a Tubescreamer
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby brucie » Mon May 21, 2012 7:16 pm

Hi Guys,

I have the Joyo JF-09 tremolo pedal, and well I think it is really good taken in context. It is built really well (especially when compared to another manufacturer beginning with b who does cheap cheap pedals), it also isn't noisy. I haven't taken it apart (probably for the best) but it does sound robust. I needed a single tremolo pedal for a small board for certain gigs, and only use it on a couple of songs, and as such it is perfect as I didn't have a massive outlay and it sound/looks good. I did a quick video review (if you guys want to hear it and you can find that here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtIh78zLlhc for those interested).

I am now tempted to look into a few of the other ones.

Thanks

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Re: Joyo Pedals

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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby brucie » Wed May 23, 2012 3:23 pm

Wow!

Now I sung the praises of the pedals...but I am really not sure about that amp! I doesn't look great from that picture does it, and all digital. Think I might pass that one by!! Although I did just utter an expletive when I saw this

http://www.joyochina.cn/en/product/show_149.html

Have they no shame...at least the pedals look unique (ish!)

Now if they did a range of robust and cheap pedal boards (which don't weigh a ton and cost less than a pedaltrain)...i'd be well interested!!
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Gary_W » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:25 pm

I pulled the trigger on one of the 'Vintage Overdrive' pedals - apparently a TS clone. £29.99 from Amazon and (bless them) the Super Saver delivery took 24 hours to my door....

I haven't owned a TS before (I know, where have I been :blush:) so have no ability to say how accurate it is from a copy point of view.

What I can say is that it's a decently put together pedal that sounds pretty impressive - the impressiveness goes up when you remember the price. I prefer it with the gain down fairly low and it then makes a wonderful 'almost clean' boost.

The knobs are butt-ugly but other than that the quality of finish on the one here is just fine.

The instructions have been fairly poorly translated from the Chinese - no idea why they wouldn't send them to a Brit to proof read prior to printing rather than just Babelfishing it and hoping for the best.... For example

LED will be in red light when the effect pedal in use. If no light or in the dim light, please change new battery :D

That is nitpicking, though..... It amazes me how someone in China can build this and stick it in a box to a re-seller over here who can sell to Amazon who can give Royal Mail a few bob to deliver it and everyone still makes money out of £30.... It just does not compute. Even has a battery in it.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby matt keen » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:40 am

Well thats not true for everyone really
The people who work in the factory are the ones who are subsidising the prices
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Lento » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:00 pm

matt keen wrote:Well thats not true for everyone really
The people who work in the factory are the ones who are subsidising the prices

More than likely :madas:

That would put me off, just as shopping at Primark .....
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Henry Mark1 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:04 am

Thanks for providing this information here.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Gary_W » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:52 am

matt keen wrote:Well thats not true for everyone really
The people who work in the factory are the ones who are subsidising the prices

Fair enough on your viewpoint - here is mine on this vast subject:-

1. Without going too deeply into economics, one reason why goods from China (and some parts of the Far East) are cheaper is due to a cheaper cost of living out there meaning cheaper labour. Yes, there are stories of terrible conditions but there are also stories of folks having employment in the technology industries and actually making a better life for themselves.... China now has more and more people entering a new 'middle class' due to its huge economic growth and prosperity. We are actually now starting to export meat to China as more and more people out there can actually afford it.

2. You are making your point using a PC / Mac or mobile device that will have components within it that have been made in a factory where the workers get paid far less than you or I. The words will be transmitted across the Internet using servers where more cheap Far Eastern technology is used.

3. Any UK built musical device that features electronic components will almost certainly have had some of its parts manufactured in China / Far East.

So my thoughts are 'how can you turn a blind eye to that but then get upset about one of these pedals?'
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby matt keen » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:33 pm

Gary_W wrote:
matt keen wrote:Well thats not true for everyone really
The people who work in the factory are the ones who are subsidising the prices


Fair enough on your viewpoint - here is mine on this vast subject:-

1. Without going too deeply into economics, one reason why goods from China (and some parts of the Far East) are cheaper is due to a cheaper cost of living out there meaning cheaper labour. Yes, there are stories of terrible conditions but there are also stories of folks having employment in the technology industries and actually making a better life for themselves.... China now has more and more people entering a new 'middle class' due to its huge economic growth and prosperity. We are actually now starting to export meat to China as more and more people out there can actually afford it.

2. You are making your point using a PC / Mac or mobile device that will have components within it that have been made in a factory where the workers get paid far less than you or I. The words will be transmitted across the Internet using servers where more cheap Far Eastern technology is used.

3. Any UK built musical device that features electronic components will almost certainly have had some of its parts manufactured in China / Far East.

So my thoughts are 'how can you turn a blind eye to that but then get upset about one of these pedals?'



I bought their pedals
I am not upset about it but I dont kid myself about why they are so cheap, and I am not saying you are either
For many things I avoid this sort of exploitation - but obviously not on everything
I work selling Fairtrade products I fund raise for co-ops abroad. And sometimes I buy goods that I want that are cheap 'cos the people who make them are paid as little as possible - ok guilty, so shoot me. ;)
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Imran500 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:26 pm

Items being made on the cheap in foreign lands and sold over here at huge markups is a staple of the capitalist system. The only thing is with Joyo is that they forgot the huge markup part! :D
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Alfie Noakes » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:24 am

I bought a joyo delay pedal. It works, has no/low extra noise, provides an amount of adjustability adequate for what I wanted it for and has a 'true' bypass which means I can happily pull the plug on it without affecting the rest of the chain.

I only wanted a touch of delay for fattening up some sounds, not looking for a huge range. Really only planned to use it when I plug my board into something other than my amp, but it's quite useful.

Cons: the foot switch feels cheap and doesn't have a positive action to it, compared to my other pedals. Probably wouldn't use a joyo for something which required a lot of switching during songs, but if the switch is the only bad thing then I'm happy. Wouldn't be hard to swap it out presumably.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:08 pm

narcoman wrote:I collect pedals. Got around 200. I'll buy a couple and check em out. Then I'll take em apart.

Show off! :)
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby _ Six _ » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:52 pm

narcoman wrote:I collect pedals. Got around 200. I'll buy a couple and check em out. Then I'll take em apart.

Any favourites?
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Guest » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:51 am

I've just heard a few of them online and I have to say they come across a little "thin" and they lose out with the roundness of the bass, plus the highs sound a little harsh. They seem to concentrate on the mid-range.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby tomdot » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:48 am

I bought the Ultimate Drive based on the Freekish Blues thing and had it modded by a friend. Stock it sounds great, heavier distortion and less midrange than a TS style pedal. The pot travel is not great and the gain probabaly reaches its max at about 12oclock.

The TS clone is really great. Could be slightly louder, but is quite responsive and has a nice warm burr that is pleasing. I actually gave this as a gift not long after purchase because I use a Jekyll and Hyde pedal. Compared to that, the Joyo is less '3D' with the J&H having more travel and flexibility at the pots, and of course the bass boost.

I use the Ultimate Drive as a more rocky sound compared to the rest of my rig. You don't need to use too much of it, and you shouldn't because it can become brittle.

I also bought the Octave Fuzz, but it's really bad. If you buy the Joyos you should stick to the proven models that have been rebranded by other comapnies such as the Ultimate Drive and Vintage Overdrive.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby matt keen » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:49 am

Music Manic wrote:I've just heard a few of them online and I have to say they come across a little "thin" and they lose out with the roundness of the bass, plus the highs sound a little harsh. They seem to concentrate on the mid-range.


Thats the difficulty of listening online I guess

Too many variables

They dont sound thin IMO
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Alfie Noakes » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:27 am

Well yes, most online examples are YouTube vids recorded with phones or cameras, then listened to on computers/tablets.
Hardly ideal for comparison, everything will sound thin to a certain extent.
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby Guest » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:19 pm

Alfie Noakes wrote:Well yes, most online examples are YouTube vids recorded with phones or cameras, then listened to on computers/tablets.
Hardly ideal for comparison, everything will sound thin to a certain extent.

Yes I am aware of listening online but I can hear through it.

Listen to this and tell me you can't hear a difference:

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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby tomdot » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:49 pm

Bear in mind though that TS style pedals have a bass drop inherent in their design, along with loads of midrange.

Trust me when I say that these Joyos are not lacking in bottom end. They are the bargain of the year/decade/century/millenium/whatever is after that
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Re: Joyo Pedals

Postby cloudcub » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:54 pm

gosh i need your advice then ! good tremolos?
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