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Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:53 pm

Hi everyone

I was wondering if there is anything apart from trilogy and trilian that may not be of the same league, but may have enough strength to create more of pop-ambient like basslines.

Although I am quite happy with trilian but it becomes quite monotonous working on the same interface for long and VST's are anyways my addiction.

It might sound funny, but I had used BFD 2 as well for bassline creation.

And also I think I am looking for some ideas on the application of improvisation while designing basslines.

Any suggestion?
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby BJG145 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:58 pm

Anything by Papen must be worth a try.

http://www.robpapen.com/subboombass.html

Then there's Scarbee...or Majestic...
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby alex870 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:33 pm

Arturia are quality of course. In terms of value for money, it's hard to go wrong with the Jupiter 8 - great for bass, pads and many things synthy. Their Minimoog emulation is a worthy consideration of course, although it's somewhat more limited in range, but extremely good at doing it's thing. CS80V would be more of an oddball choice but still highly capable.

KORG Legacy Collection Analog Edition '07 has some nice flexbility and sounds good for a wide range of sounds including bass.

ReFx: Vangard - decent synth (esp. good at the ambient hoover sounds) and Nexus Rompler. Nexus goes for quantity over quality, but there are a number of superb gems mixed in there for bass and other types of sound.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:53 am

Thanx guys, does anyone know which is the best emulation of old moog synth. I've heard a lot about Minimonsta being a fad in moog implementation. I had never used it though, and has never worked with Arturia Moog as well, but heard a lot of praises for both. Which one would be better?
Or if there is any other moog synth that can beat these two, please let me know.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby vinyl_junkie » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:16 pm

I didn't think the Minimonsta was that bad...of course it isn't as good as the real thing but we had to use the plug in on a track we were working on cos the real Mini Moog had issues with drifting oscillators. To me it sounded just too polished and clean but it's not a bad emulation
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby Chevytraveller » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:25 pm

For my money and ears, the Minimonsta sounded much better than the Arturia.. especially in the lower octaves where it really counts.
It's never going to sound completely like a real Mini, but probably the closest I've heard

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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:08 pm

vinyl_junkie wrote:I didn't think the Minimonsta was that bad...of course it isn't as good as the real thing but we had to use the plug in on a track we were working on cos the real Mini Moog had issues with drifting oscillators. To me it sounded just too polished and clean but it's not a bad emulation.

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Chevytraveller wrote:For my money and ears, the Minimonsta sounded much better than the Arturia.. especially in the lower octaves where it really counts.
It's never going to sound completely like a real Mini, but probably the closest I've heard
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Thanx for that.

I think Minimonsta is mainly for trance. I am looking for something more atmospheric and organic.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby JamesSimpson » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:29 pm

How can a plugin that is an emulation of any synth be for trance only? Especially something as widely heard as a minimoog.

I have used minimoogs in rock, pop, dubstep, electro.... I don't quite understand what you mean by saying a minimonsta is for trance?
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:43 pm

JamesSimpson wrote:How can a plugin that is an emulation of any synth be for trance only? Especially something as widely heard as a minimoog.

I have used minimoogs in rock, pop, dubstep, electro.... I don't quite understand what you mean by saying a minimonsta is for trance?


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O gosh! I hope my professor doesnt read that I wrote (I think Minimonsta is mainly for trance. I am looking for something more atmospheric and organic).

I know that you are right James, and I know that the art of music is not limited to stubborn unbending rules. Allow me to explain what I meant to say.

Although I personally have never worked on Minimonsta, but spoke with a friend of mine who has and he, like me, likes to make ambient tunes. He told me that he had tried to make long sustaining and ever changing bass sounds with Minimonsta but as this plugin always ended up inspiring him to create tracks on the spectrum of 130 BPM and above, he almost avoided using it for ambient. I tried putting the point that you raised, but he was quite adamant and said that this synth has immense flexibility but the signal transformation, under any control, is not very gradual.

Anyway that was one man's personnel opinion, and that certainly makes all the sense to him. Now I realize that in jiffy I couldnt manage to rethink what I am asking for. Thanx for reminding me.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby Zukan » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:29 am

BJG145 wrote:Anything by Papen must be worth a try.

http://www.robpapen.com/subboombass.html

Highly underrated and one of the best low end vstis out there.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:50 am

Zukan wrote:
BJG145 wrote:Anything by Papen must be worth a try.

http://www.robpapen.com/subboombass.html

Highly underrated and one of the best low end vstis out there.

I was a bit reluctant to say that but I thought about posting a similar opinion. The reason I chose to remain quite was Albino 3, It might stink for bass, but had been frequently used by me for the construction of pads. Else Papen is focussed on designing plugs mainly for Hiphop enthusiasts (not even the serious Hiphop production).
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby Zukan » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:17 am

AuralSerenity wrote:
Zukan wrote:
BJG145 wrote:Anything by Papen must be worth a try.

http://www.robpapen.com/subboombass.html

Highly underrated and one of the best low end vstis out there.

I was a bit reluctant to say that but I thought about posting a similar opinion. The reason I chose to remain quite was Albino 3, It might stink for bass, but had been frequently used by me for the construction of pads. Else Papen is focussed on designing plugs mainly for Hiphop enthusiasts (not even the serious Hiphop production).

Not sure about that Aural.

Bob and I have known each other from our SD days at Emu and this area of the market (SBB) was dying to be explored.

Predator is aimed more at Dance music (Trance, Techno etc), as is Blue, and Albino is a great little teaching vsti which I regularly use to tutor my students with. Hell, I even created a sound pack for it. But I agree, it's forte is in pad and ambiance and not too much on the low end. Bob and I discussed this and he felt that the coding on Predator was better and it cut through the mix fat better than Albino. I agreed with him having tried all of them.

SubBB is a great vsti and one that was much needed. If you program it right you can rattle your gnads all day.

There are other great vstis for bass and an unusual one that I like, though extreme, is Rogue. It's very cutting and nothing subtle about it. Not for low end basses a la Hip Hop but much better for Industrial or Techno.

There are others: Massive, Absynth, Arp 2600, MM etc It really comes down to how you program the sound and how you treat it.
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Re: Plugin Inquiry: Bassline

Postby gryfyx » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:57 am

Zukan wrote:

SubBB is a great vsti and one that was much needed. If you program it right you can rattle your gnads all day.

There are other great vstis for bass and an unusual one that I like, though extreme, is Rogue. It's very cutting and nothing subtle about it. Not for low end basses a la Hip Hop but much better for Industrial or Techno.

There are others: Massive, Absynth, Arp 2600, MM etc It really comes down to how you program the sound and how you treat it.


Tell me any other plug by Papen that even come close to Albino, and frankly, even Albino is out of league of this thread as it pertains to Bass (I mean the thread, obviously). And as we talk about the league of this thread then I must say that I had put off Trilian for a while as I was too bored tweaking the same knobs, its straight and clear, Trilian, is without any doubt, the best sounding bass program in any format that I've heard.

I know that there are lot of things that one can not do in this plug, but the sound that it produces is pure authentic aural bliss to me. Sometimes I would pass the Trilian signal into Vandal Guitar Amp and would spent days to synthesize a sound and then further more days to figure out a 32 bar long progression.

Why I'm telling you this? -- Because, Zukes, I want something else to experiment with, something that should not make me wonder "Now how do I make a bass out of it?", and as for Albino - "If today I'll find a way of making bass out of this then tomorrow I can make pads out of Trilian."

Well, I've no clue about SubBB and Rogue. I tried to dig into google but got nothing. What are they?

Massive and Absynth? Yes, I love them. They are super neat.

Arp 2600 is vintage and authentic but never got a chance to work on it.
MM? Are you talking about E & MM, if you are then, I think its so vintage that its an endangered species now.
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