You are here

Mobile sound proofing

Customising, building or repairing your own gear? Need help with acoustic treatment or soundproofing? Ask away…

Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:55 pm

For the last several years I have been renting places to live in. I end up with the room my missus, dislikes the most, to record in. She has an uncanny ability to choose the best sounding room, as her space and the worst possible sounding room for my recording.

However im no sooner settled when the landlord decides to sell, which means moving on, this has happened several times now. This results in me never being anywhere long enough to concentrate on improving the sound of the room, other than to hang duvets.

I have read quite a few of Paul Whites very good articles on improving a room sound and they have given me plenty to think about. I just wondered what would be your suggestions for something portable that I can take with me wherever I go. My thinking is perhaps free standing panels that could be stood next to each other to create a 3 sided enclosure, or maybe a 3 sided frame, from which I can hang duvets, again something that can be packed down and put away without too much grief. The main issue is to just lose the nasty reflections these rooms seem to have, So I can record some vocals and guitar.
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby pano » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:13 pm

I think it's a common problem, but lots of options:

You could make a set of absorption panels - the insulation block type - and hang some on the walls (get your wife to choose the fabric!), with others as movable floor panels so you can place them according to whether you're mixing or recording.

I've also got a large oriental style screen that can either be flat or folded into a corner shape. A couple of heavy duvets thrown over it is great for vocs and guitar. And when not in use it can look quite erm...domestic.
pano
Poster
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:00 am

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:13 pm

I've been on the lookout for one of those screens for ages.

Just reading on here that getting two lighting stands and hanging a duvet across can be ok. As cost is an issue for me this might be a temp way around the prob ? Although I don't quite get how you can hang a duvet like this without it flopping in the middle, surely you need a rail of some kind to link them ?
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:31 pm

Still haven't got around to this ! What would be the most cost effective acoustic foam to use as I've seen a few different types ? Was considering making 3 panels 6ft x 3ft so they form an enclosure of sorts. It's solely for recording guitar and vocals. If anyone has any ideas on construction would appreciate hearing.
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:40 pm

If you're building yourself, you'll be much better using Rockwool RW3 rather than acoustic foam.

Build your enclosures as you intend, but use rockwool kept in place with chicken wire. You can cover the whole with Cara fabric - various colours available. The enclosures will work better if you leave an air gap behind the rockwool - eg enclosures 8" deep with the front 4" of rockwool and the rest an airspace.

You can buy Rockwool at various builders merchants and also from Studiospares if you find it hard to source. But Studiospares will probably be more expensive.

HTH.
User avatar
Mike Stranks
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4333
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Cirencester, UK

 


Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby zenguitar » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:49 pm

And to sort out the wife...

The first time you visit the new home IMMEDIATELY find the worst sounding room and say in a loud voice 'THIS would be a perfect music room, it has great light and a great feel.' Then wait for her to decide it's hers and you can get a decent room

Oh, and +1 for making frames with rockwool, they will be easy to take with you when you have to move again.

Andy
User avatar
zenguitar
Moderator
Posts: 7430
Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:00 am
Location: Devon

Largely, but not entirely, dysfunctional.


Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:32 am

Thanks for replies..

Mike why is Rockwool a better option, sorry I dont know much about these things ?

Any ideas how you would go about making the panels, with the gap you describe etc..

Thanks again
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:34 am

I know it was an older part of this thread, but a good way of hanging a duvet is with a clothing rail. They are about £10 to £15.

But I would recommend building some rockwool traps with a means of hanging them, so that you can take them to the next place, if and when you move.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:44 am

Originally I thought I could just attach 3 pieces of wood to the ceiling, forming a box shape, without one side and then attach hooks, from which the duvet could hang. However to my dismay the ceiling is very ancient and seems to be made up of sheets of wood about 5mm thick with some very old plaster chucked on top. This was the way I was hoping to go but I just don't see that it's possible. This is why I have moved onto the panel idea, it is a last resort as I'm not very confident of my woodworking skills.
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:32 am

When I built my bass traps, I sourced the wood from a local wood recycling centre. They cut and mitred the pieces and drilled the sides allowing me to cut out sections. I then glued and bracketed the the wood together, dried, filled with RW3, put chicken wire over them and covered in a cheap poly-cotton fabric.

I'm no DIYer really, I had to buy a jigsaw to cut the sides and a staple gun (which kills your hand after a while!). I used Zukan's link for the build guidlines, but amended some of the dimensions to suit RW3.

You could consider having feet/stands on them so that they are free standing rather than fixed to the walls.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:00 pm

Yeh they would have to be free standing. I have been searching the web for some pics, as I would find it much easier to make them if I had some images.
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:05 pm

[url=http://www.samplecraze.com/tutorial.php/28/diy-acoustics-–-the-home-studio-part-1/]http://www.samplecraze.com/tutorial.php/28/diy-acoustics-–-the-home-studio-part-1/[/url]

This is the link to Zukan's build.

In asnwer to your earlier question about why to use Rockwool, Rockwool has a good broadband absorbtion plus it doesn't degrade like foam does.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:40 pm

I'm not sure if my DIY skills are up to the standard of zukans! Or my tool collection! The ceiling option would have been a lot easier and cheaper, well at least I have some pictures now of how these panels can be made..

So will the rockwool absorb/deaden the sound as good as the foam ? Im presuming if I managed to rig some of these panels up, they would do a better job than the duvets ? Or else it might be easier/cheaper to make a frame to hang the duvets over.. Sorry to keep on about this
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby djangodeadman » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:16 pm

Scouser wrote:I'm not sure if my DIY skills are up to the standard of zukans! Or my tool collection! The ceiling option would have been a lot easier and cheaper, well at least I have some pictures now of how these panels can be made..

I have no DIY skills, but a few tools. I managed to make four rockwool panels fairly successfully.

Scouser wrote:So will the rockwool absorb/deaden the sound as good as the foam ?

Better.
djangodeadman
Regular
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Brighton

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:20 pm

Rockwool will go to lower frequencies than foam, as well as those that foam copes with to some extent.

See if you have a local wood recyclers or ask around friends to see if they are handy with a saw.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Most of the articles ive read so far, seem to build the frame around the dimensions of the rockwool slabs, as my panels need to be bigger than the sheets, what would be the best approach ?
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Martin Walker » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:24 pm

Hi Scouser!

Well to me one obvious solution is to build the frames at the size you need/want, and then use fairly dense rockwool that you can cut and fit into these shapes without the joins being too obvious – once covered with acoustic (breathable) fabric you probably won't even be able to tell that there are multiple 'blocks' in there

Hope this helps!


Martin
User avatar
Martin Walker
Moderator
Posts: 9844
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:44 am
Location: Cornwall, UK

Steampunk & Synth News | Mad Scientist Mode


Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:40 am

I made mine so that the internal dimensions of the frame were the same as a Rockwool slab, so 120 x 60mm. The outside dimensions are obviously slightly larger due to the thickness of the wood so make sure you have enough length cut. The Rockwool fit snugly inside and then the chicken wire stops it from slumping.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:01 pm

Is the chicken wire necessary for the more rigid types of rockwool ?
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Chump » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:59 pm

Hi,

Just thought I'd share my recent experience of making some acoustics panels. My DIY skills / equipment / patience are severely limited, but I managed it, without even having to cut any wood!!

1. Went to large B&Q store with in-store wood cutting facility. Bought 3 boards of MDF (L)1220 x (W)607 x (T)12mm (£12.48 each). Got them to cut two sheets into 12 1220mm X 100mm sheets. Got them to cut the other sheet into 12 600mm x 100mm sheets. This is enough to make the frames for 6 1200mm x 600mm x 100mm panels. Also bought 24 right angled metal brackets, some wood screws and some cheap fabric.

2. Bought enough Rockwool RWA45 in 1200mm x 600mm panels to fill the panels (either using 100mm thick panels or 2 x 50mm panels). After seeing a recommendation on these forums, Minster seemed to have a pretty good price.

http://www.minsteronline.co.uk/product/slab-rwa45

3. Borrowed an electric drill and followed the guide at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDxV0jbD9w8. Took about 40 mins per panel (and I'm basically incompentent).

They work a treat!
Chump
Poster
Posts: 31
Joined: Mon Sep 23, 2002 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:08 am

Chump, sounds good. What did you use the mdf for as i didn't see that it was used in the video ?
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:38 am

Scouser wrote:Is the chicken wire necessary for the more rigid types of rockwool ?


I'm sure you could get away without using it, provided the fabric is taught.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:53 am

Im glad im taking my time with this, thanks for all the help so far..

My original thought was to build panels without a gap and just have them freestanding, however the more I think about this the more im coming round to having a gap so they can have the dual purpose of being freestanding or hung on the wall.

So essentially a 2 inch thick panel with a 2 inch gap, this would make the panel more expensive/difficult to make, as im presuming it would then need to have a sheet of something the same size of the panel which would need to be fixed in the frame ? Some feedback on this would be great. My thinking is that i would need to route a channel into the frame at a depth of 2 inches. If there is an easier way I would be interested to know about it.

Thanks
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:22 am

You could use some thin batons attached to some small blocks attached to the frame to hold the rockwool in the frame before the gap.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:00 pm

Thanks Richie, batons could be a way to go. Dont exactly want to make a bigger job of it, but having a gap will mean more work/cost I dont see any way around it..

Wonder what GIK have used in this picture:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/room-acoustics-system-layout-setup/77642-few-questions-regarding-acoustic-panels.html

Wanted to avoid routing if possible, but as I only wnat to do this once, I want to get it right
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:25 pm

I used a jigsaw rather than router, but I had the luxury of having some holes pre-drilled.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:41 pm

Not sure if we are talking at cross purposes Ritchie, I meant to use a router to cut a channel 2" all the way around the inside of the frame, to house a board of some sort. Don't see how that could be done with a jigsaw ?
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:56 pm

Right, yes we were at cross porpoises.

I made mine to fit the rockwool and have them stood away from the wall, so I'm only making guesses about the inclusion of a gap.
User avatar
Richie Royale
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4441
Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:00 pm
Location: Bristol, England.

Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby zenguitar » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Battens would do it, but I would suggest the easiest and most effective way would be another piece of chicken wire on the back stapled/pinned to the inside of the frame.

Andy
User avatar
zenguitar
Moderator
Posts: 7430
Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:00 am
Location: Devon

Largely, but not entirely, dysfunctional.


Re: Mobile sound proofing

Postby Scouser » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:37 pm

Sounds like a plan Andy, maybe if there was a thin baton all the way around the inside of the frame at a 2" depth, as well as adding a bit of strength, would also give me something to staple the chicken wire to..
Scouser
Regular
Posts: 488
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:00 pm

Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests