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Re: Tinnitus

Postby JonR » Mon May 05, 2008 10:30 pm

Imran I can recommend doing all you can to remove caffeine from your diet. This has certainly helped me.

I also take ginkgo biloba but can't be sure if it makes any difference or not.

The best thing is to ensure you are rested and stress free.

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby MarcusH » Mon May 05, 2008 11:01 pm

Sorry to learn that you've been suffering from tinnitus. I developed tinnitus after being in an irresponsibly loud rock band in the 90s. It came back recently, triggered by medication given to me in hospital.

Advice wise, the British Tinnitus Association are very helpful http://www.tinnitus.org.uk/ The Musicians Union also help members with the services of hearing specialists at reduced price.

The best advice I received was this - while tinnitus isn't psychosomatic as such, it is in the nature of the condition that it can get worse if you obsess about it - so while you absolutely should investigate, seek help, take advice, precautions etc. - try not to worry too much.

...and the other advice was to monitor at low volumes of course. It was good for my tinnitus - but also good for my mixes.

Hope things improve.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Tui » Tue May 06, 2008 12:39 am

My standard advice: If you get your ears syringed, make double sure the nurse presses the warm water *slowly* into the ear. Excessive pressure can damage the eardrum and cause permanent tinnitus.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Tímo » Tue May 06, 2008 2:39 am

If you're going to have your ears syringed, put a few drops of olive oil into your ears daily for a few days beforehand and it will soften the wax making it easier to get rid of.

As mentioned, tinnitus has a whole multitude of possible causes, not just sound induced injury.

Posture, blood-pressure/hypertension, stress, tension/anxiety, baro(air-pressure)-trauma, neck problems, head-injury, ear infections, drugs/medication, "glue"-ear (otitis media), temporal mandibular joint disorder (TMJ), etc.

The aforementioned natural remedy "Ginkgo Biloba" is supposedly good for increasing the blood-circulation to the brain via the capillaries, and can therefore be sometimes used for lessening tinnitus if blood flow is a cause.

I have pretty bad tinnitus myself, since a very early age (5 or 6yrs old). Sounds like a video-recorder constantly whirring in the background, with multiple distinct higher pitched tones over the top! Think it was concussion-induced (accidently hitting my head extremely hard on concrete three occasions - the full unimposed brunt of my body weight each time on skull impact - not nice! :beamup: ) but worsens with stress/anxiety. I suffered bad ear infections as a child too, so that may well have contributed. Although loud, it's managable and it doesn't stop me from doing much. I am overly sensitive to sound, though, so loud music/sounds are a complete no-no. So long as I have full control of my sound levels, everything's great.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Dinkleberry » Tue May 06, 2008 4:24 am

JonR wrote:I also take ginkgo biloba but can't be sure if it makes any difference or not.

Tímo wrote:The aforementioned natural remedy "Ginkgo Biloba" is supposedly good for increasing the blood-circulation to the brain via the capillaries, and can therefore be sometimes used for lessening tinnitus if blood flow is a cause.

Partway through my degree course I came to suspect I had ADHD, and ginkgo was one of the few things I came across that seemed as though it might alleviate some of the problems I was having with that. When I was researching info about it, I saw anecdotal evidence that it might help with tinnitus too. I don't suffer from that, but have actually experimented a fair amount with the ginkgo and the effects it can have are not too straightforward. For one, I found that my sleep was less heavy, but despite this, could function better with less sleep than before in the mornings. The problem with it though, is that your body builds up a tolerance to it, and this effect becomes less pronounced over time. And if you accidentally miss a dose one day (I was taking some in the morning, and some in evening), it was almost impossible to wake up before sleeping for 12 hours solid. I ended up taking slightly more than the recommended dose every day (4 capsules instead of 3), and as the positive effect started to wear off, I cut down over time until I was off the stuff. When I first started, I gave
it a couple of weeks for the effects to kick in.

Point to this tangential rambling? 1) Look out for the tolerance, 2) Be prepared to try over the recommended dose (by the way, if you think this is a dangerous thing to do... there are many other substances that can have more worrisome side effects due to going over the recommendations. I saw a report once of some amusing fellow deciding to go on a herbal remedy bender, bingeing on all the St Johns Wort, Ginkgo and etc. he could get his hands on - said he felt a bit light headed and had a hangover but that was it. Might want to check this out for yourself though) 3)If you find it does have a beneficial effect, plan in advance when you can reduce the dose down for a while (in order to battle the tolerance) without the consequences being much of a problem (e.g. sleeping in on a workday). I believe this to be known as a 'drug holiday' but you might not want to use that term to explain your situation to your employer ;-)

Just for completeness sake, the drawbacks outweighed the benefit for me - if anything it had detrimental effect to my concentration/clarity when I had healthy sleep patterns.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby ceejay » Tue May 06, 2008 9:44 am

Tímo wrote:The aforementioned natural remedy "Ginkgo Biloba" is supposedly good for increasing the blood-circulation to the brain via the capillaries, and can therefore be sometimes used for lessening tinnitus if blood flow is a cause.

Here in Oz a year or so ago, a widely promoted ginkgo product had its advertisements banned after claiming it provided relief from tinnitus
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Tue May 06, 2008 12:41 pm

JonR wrote:Imran I can recommend doing all you can to remove caffeine from your diet. This has certainly helped me.

I also take ginkgo biloba but can't be sure if it makes any difference or not.

The best thing is to ensure you are rested and stress free.

Regards

John

Cheers for the caffeine tip - I'll cut it out and see how it goes. I've also put in an order for some Alpine earplugs, and I'll stick those in before I touch any musical instruments.

Sorry to hear about how bad your tinnitus has got John - I liken your situation to a sportsman who has suffered a career ending injury.

Anyways cheers again for the replies everyone.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby ROLO46 » Tue May 06, 2008 11:20 pm

You must see a specialist

Some tinnitus can be masked by low level pink noise

This means wearing hearing aids

Not by syringing.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby thejazzassassin » Wed May 07, 2008 12:58 pm

And just remember - if you're to buy some earplugs, don't just stuff any old tat from an aeroplane or a hotel freebie-overnight bag into your ears. This will just muffle and mask the sounds you are hearing rather than accurately reduce the total level of what you are hearing. Imagine using a low-pass filter on your ears. That's what these poorly-designed plugs will make life sound like.

Shelling out for some top-class earplugs is a very worthwhile investment. Proper plugs will not 'cover' the sound, they will keep all frequencies intact, allowing you to hear far more clearly than with a pair of inadequate and poorly-designed plugs. A small investment to make in order to protect our most valuable assets.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Wed May 07, 2008 1:42 pm

Just to update the situation I went to the doctors and.....

It's wax! Disgusting I know but the answer I was looking for. He said a wax plug is causing reveberations in there. That's a new one - wax reverb - I might have discovered something new to go along with spring and plate reverbs.

Well anyways he said I need to stick olive oil in there three times a day, if that doesn't clear it it's syringe time.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby thejazzassassin » Wed May 07, 2008 1:47 pm

I can also wholeheartedly recommend Hopi ear candles - a 7 inch or so aromatic 'candle' is lit and placed in the ear, and all the impurities and other nasties are sucked to the surface of the ear, and can be gently removed. I bought some off the net, very cheap, and did them at home. It's fun!

It's really relaxing too - I suffer from excessive wax in my ears, and rather than having to get them syringed regularly, I find the ear candles do a good job at prevention. It can get so bad, however, that a good syringing is all that can help.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Spiked Lunch » Wed May 07, 2008 3:32 pm

Ear candles arn't really recommended....

There is a bit on Wiki if you fancy a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear_candling

The ear is self cleaning so it's best left well alone - poking cotton buds or anything else down the ear canal can push wax deeper into the canal and cause it to build up.

Wax is actually good for the ear as it is antibacterial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earwax

If you have problems with excessive wax production, it's best to visit the GP, or ENT in some cases, to have it removed safely.

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Yago » Wed May 07, 2008 8:38 pm

Didn't see anyone mention this in this thread , so I will jump in with a random guess ...
I always thought that smoking can be bad for hearing , can anyone confirm this ?
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby JonR » Wed May 07, 2008 11:10 pm

I am really glad this has worked out okay for you Imran.

Look after your hearing. :-)

Cheers

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Tui » Thu May 08, 2008 11:07 am

Yago wrote:Didn't see anyone mention this in this thread , so I will jump in with a random guess ...
I always thought that smoking can be bad for hearing , can anyone confirm this ?

Wouldn't surprise me at all. The Tuba Auditiva connects the middle ear with the back of the throat. It is an air-filled canal, so any gunk that floats around in your throat, in part, also ends up in your ears, greatly increasing the risk of infections.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Thu May 08, 2008 1:52 pm

JonR wrote:I am really glad this has worked out okay for you Imran.

Look after your hearing. :-)

Cheers

John

Cheers John - well if it is as simple as the doc says and I get over this then I will do everything to protect them from now on. No more I-Pod, no loud mixes, sticking in some quality earplugs etc. etc.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby AllyB » Fri May 09, 2008 9:42 am

has anyone got any links to those fancy earplugs?...
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Snorestore » Fri May 09, 2008 10:19 am

AllyB wrote:has anyone got any links to those fancy earplugs?...
Yes. See Music Earplugs for more choices.
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