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Re: Missing SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:02 pm

mmathieu wrote:I'm still resolutely trying to find (that is, PURCHASE) old SOS mags previous to 1998.

mmathieu wrote:For example, I am searching for Paul White's December 1993 review of the Mackie 8 bus mixing console.
As of this date, I have not seen this or other mags in this time frame on the archive site or at other links.

They come up on ebay from time to time...

Here's one available now:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sound-On-Sound-Magazine-December-1993-Volume-9-issue-2-Yamaha-VL1-Emu-Morpheus/223479869322?hash=item3408702f8a:g:-jwAAOSwo~dcXzRq

If SOS can't provide a copy of that article for you (please ask them first), then PM me and I can help you out.

mmathieu wrote:Any help would be appreciated and I'd be pleased to donate $$$ or scannable old mags because I would be plesed to aid anyone who is maintaining archives of old (including ANCIENT) recording and pro audio magazines -- (e.g., Studio Sound, anyone?).

Well, I'm not sure about *ancient* (I go back to 1975 at this point) but there is already an (almost) complete archive of Studio Sound here:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Studio-Sound.htm
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Re: Missing SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby mmathieu » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:01 am

Thanks, Desmond. I'll check out that link.

I should know how to request a copy of an article because I did so in the past. I'll have to research that option because an electronic copy would, of course, do quite niceley.

Thanks again for your post, D.

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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:28 am

Hi Folks

We have discussed this before, but I can't find the exact post.

Full SOS web back issues currently go as far back as January 2002
(https://www.soundonsound.com/magazine/2002-01), with some individual articles (e.g. Synth Secrets) being listed earlier than that date.

Muzines SOS issues http://www.muzines.co.uk/mags/SOS currently go from Nov 85 to Dec 91 (an incredible achievement, Desmond) - and I think it is your intention to run up to the end of 1993?

Both of the above resources are searchable.

Then there is the Web Archive
https://web.archive.org/web/20150629000 ... Issues.php
which carries articles as far back as Dec 2004
http://www.soundonsound.com/Contents.ph ... &Year=1994

Earlier than that, it lists issues/articles all the way back to 1985, but does not have any content. Perhaps that is the reason for Muzines ambition to run up to the end of 1993?

So, Web Archive. The search function does not work (it does not have the SOS back-end code to make this happen). If anyone wants to find an SOS article on a particular piece of gear or subject from 1994~2001 inclusive, it is essentially a lucky-dip. There is also a topic-based search option (e.g. ' workstations') but I can't find the link at present.

I have wondered for a long time whether there is some way to 'scrape' the data from the webarchive index pages to create a searchable index of the entire 1994-2001 SOS web archive articles. Short of sophisticated data scraping, which I am not capable of, only two options come to mind:

1) Save each issue index hmtl page locally, then use a file-based search to dive into each HTML page and find the ones that link to the search topic, e.g. 'JV-1080'. This has the advantage that the saved pages retain the hyperlinks to the web archive pages. So when you find the search item, you find the link right to the article. But as 96 separate files, a little more fiddly to search than:

2) Print each issue index page to PDF. This has the advantage that the pages could be tidied up and combined into a single PDF of 96 pages. Very easy to search in any PDF viewer, but no hyperlinks. A hyperlink to each web archive issue page could be added manually (x96!). When 'JV-1080' turns up in a search, you know what month/year it is and can hyperlink to the index page for that issue on web.archive.

I mention all of this in case: a) somebody has already done something similar, or b) somebody can see a more technically elegant and achievable solution. Any thoughts welcome.

If I were to go ahead with either 1) or 2) above, I would be happy to share the results via either SOS forum or Muzines , as appropriate.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:03 pm

BillB wrote:and I think it is your intention to run up to the end of 1993?

Yes - and when I get to the next batch of SOS in a few publications' time, I'm continuing the processing run until SOS to Dec 1993 is complete. So there'll be a lot more SOS coming up over the coming year...

BillB wrote:Earlier than that, it lists issues/articles all the way back to 1985, but does not have any content. Perhaps that is the reason for Muzines ambition to run up to the end of 1993?

Yes, I asked SOS for the permission to process the issues that were pre-digital (SOS's own digital archives start at 1994). I was only ever intending, and allowed, to go up to Dec 1993.

When I've completed the SOS run, we'll sort out a handover process so that SOS will also have that 1985-1993 content in their own archive - that was always in the initial proposal because it's SOS's content and it's right that it should come home where it belongs.

It's just easier for the work involved to do it in one go, rather than bit by bit - I know Ian has enough on his plate, the last thing he wants I'm sure is me popping up with another 6 issues' worth of data every few months! :tongue:

BillB wrote:I have wondered for a long time whether there is some way to 'scrape' the data from the webarchive index pages to create a searchable index of the entire 1994-2001 SOS web archive articles. Short of sophisticated data scraping, which I am not capable of, only two options come to mind:

Heh. Yes, and no. :)

The bottom line is that as far as I understand, it's not quite that simple on SOS's end, as they are rebuilding the articles back from the initial image assets and so on, which is why it's been a slowish and ongoing process for them (bearing in mind they also have a ton of other priorities).

BillB wrote:I mention all of this in case: a) somebody has already done something similar, or b) somebody can see a more technically elegant and achievable solution. Any thoughts welcome.

If I were to go ahead with either 1) or 2) above, I would be happy to share the results via either SOS forum or Muzines , as appropriate.

Bill - you still have access to the mu:zines Slack - can you drop in there quickly?
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:17 pm

Basically, I'm happy to knock up some kind of forum post with indexes of the 94-2002/whatever content, with links to those articles on the wayback machine, as a temporary measure, if the PTB think such a thing would be OK and useful.

(Or you can do it manually of course, but personally I'd scrape it into a DB then export it into forum posts)

I think it's a good idea and worth considering, for sure... :thumbup:
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:27 pm

Hi Bill and desmond,

Converting back issues has been a task I took on but my workload has prevented me from having time to create any new "old" issues, but it is still our intention to get back to January 1994. I ceased creating and publishing old archives on a monthly issue basis as it became easier to respond to requests for special reviews or features, eg. I did all 63 parts of Synth Secrets.

I am happy for desmond to create an Index of those 1994-2002 articles and link to their version on Wayback.

And once desmond has got mu:zines up to date for SOS November 1985 through to December 1993, as he states, we'll put that content in some form on our own site.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:18 pm

Thanks Ian. :thumbup:

I'll liaise with Bill (as it was his idea/suggestion) and we'll see what we can come up with.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:42 pm

Desmond has come forward with a far more technically elegant solution than I had in mind, so I'll step back 8-)
...cheer from the sidelines :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
...and let the man get on with what he excels at :thumbup:

Very much looking forward to a reasonably continuous searchable SOS archive. :geek:
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:09 pm

BillB wrote:Desmond has come forward with a far more technically elegant solution...

He's astonishingly good at doing that... :D
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:12 pm

Well, I get things done, but it isn't necessarily pretty... :lol:

I've scraped the 1994-2001 articles and meta data into a DB, which I can generate indexes from. There's a little over 3600 articles.

Obviously, if this stuff is going to live as forum posts, they will be statically-generated indexes, and you'd use the web browser's search function to look for something in particular in that thread. I'd probably want to do indexes by issue, and then alphabetical indexes for reviews, interviews, and techniques, for easy browsing.

While I could put the data up on the web with proper search functionality, I think everyone would prefer those indexes to be somewhere on the SOS site at least, for Google etc to crawl, even if searching is a little clunkier.

So if anyone has ideas to preferences for how to present the indexes, and where they should go, by all means I'm open to suggestions. I'll probably put up some test data shortly to people can get a feel with what we are dealing with.

So what I'm thinking at the moment is to create a thread in the appropriate forum called something along the lines of "SOS Article Index 1994-2001 - Internet Archive links", with a first post giving a brief introductory blurb, then a second post with indexes by issue, a third with indexes by gear, a fourth post with indexes by interviews etc (assuming each fits into a single post).

That keeps everything contained in it's own thread. (Alternatively, maybe even be a thread for each index type? Not sure...)

(I already do something similar to this over on LPH, in this thread:
https://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/view ... 8&t=138224
...which is an index of individual upload contributions by plugin from a larger unmanageable thread.)
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:06 am

Ideally, information like this would be on its own SOS webpage, associated with, or linked from, the Magazine issues selection page. Appreciate that would involve SOS in additional work which may not be a priority. If it does go into a forum thread:
a) it should be made sticky
b) it should ideally be linked to whenever a magazine ‘select by date’ does not turn up a full issue (i.e. before 2002)
c) hope there is enough capacity in individual posts to hold the amount of data that may be required for some categories....

Forum posting would be fine for now, does the job, but perhaps when SOS takes the full Muzines SOS 1985-1993 data set and gives it a home, it could also think about a home for the links to this webarchive data, to provide a full archive on or from the SOS site. Perhaps another tab under https://www.soundonsound.com/magazine ?

Thanks for taking it forward (so very quickly!) Desmond.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:26 am

Ok - so here's an example of a typical "By Issue" index (just one issue for now as an example), exported from my db.

Please note that formatting options are *very* limited on the forum, I can't do bigger issue or section headings, or generally make things hugely readable over the basic formatting options, which is annoying, but it is what it is.

This is from the issue contents here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150404205035/http://www.soundonsound.com/Contents.php?Month=1&Year=1994

I do have the description text as well which is useful but I expect will push the forum posts into being so large they become unmanageable and would have to be split too much, unless we do one post per issue.

Obviously, if this ends up going somewhere outside the forum, the formatting options would let this be presented much better.

Thoughts and suggestions welcome. I don't know what the max length of forum posts is, but there might end up needing to be one post in the thread per issue - I'm just feeling my way in this, so we'll work out together what formats best make sense for this. I can obviously change sort order, display things differently and so on, and like I say, I think it would also be useful to do indexes alphabetically for all reviews, interviews and so on.

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SOS Index - By Issue | 1994 - 2001

SOS 1994 - January

REVIEWS

AKG C3000
Large-diaphragm Capacitor Microphone
AKG H30; Aiwa XD-S1100; P&G; 8000 Series
Widgets
Alesis Monitor One
Studio Monitors
Allen & Heath GS3V
Automated Mixer
ART FXR & FXR Elite
Digital Effects
Big Noise MaxPak V2
PC Software
Dance Industrial 2: David Frangioni & Rich Mendelson
Sample Library
Digital Audio Labs cardD
PC Hard Disk Recorder
EMS VCS3
Analogue Synthesizer (Retro)
Ian Boddy: Ambient Vol. 2
Sample Library
MOTU Digital Performer
Mac Sequencing & Digital Recording Environment
Studio Electronics SE1
Analogue MIDI Monosynth
Tascam PE40
Parametric EQ


PEOPLE + OPINION

Jonathan More (Coldcut): Philosophy
Interview | Band
Necroscope: Surviving Live
Interview | Band
Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert: The Other Two and You
Interview | Band
Tony Platt: Production Lines
Opinion | Music Production
Toyah Wilcox: Leap
Interview | Artist
Will Mowat: Soul Music
Interview | Artist


TECHNIQUE

Atari & CD-ROM
Atari Notes
Aural Hygiene: How To Keep Noise At Bay, Part 2
Tips & Techniques
Buying Used Gear
Tips & Techniques
Creating Analogue Sounds On Digital Synths, Part 1
Tips & Techniques
Kawai K1
Sequencing Clinic
Macro Systems Toccata 16-bit Sampling System
Amiga Notes
PC Retrospective 1993
PC Notes
Power Vocoding
Boss SE50 & SE70
Shift and Conquer; Compress and Sustain; Simple Midi Switch
Sound Bites
What's In Store For 1994?
Apple Notes
Yamaha QY10
Sequencing Clinic
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:31 am

Or maybe a little more compact, eg:-

SOS Index - By Issue | 1994 - 2001

SOS 1994 - January

REVIEWS

- AKG C3000 | Large-diaphragm Capacitor Microphone
- AKG H30; Aiwa XD-S1100; P&G; 8000 Series | Widgets
- Alesis Monitor One | Studio Monitors
- Allen & Heath GS3V | Automated Mixer
- ART FXR & FXR Elite | Digital Effects
- Big Noise MaxPak V2 | PC Software
- Dance Industrial 2: David Frangioni & Rich Mendelson | Sample Library
- Digital Audio Labs cardD | PC Hard Disk Recorder
- EMS VCS3 | Analogue Synthesizer (Retro)
- Ian Boddy: Ambient Vol. 2 | Sample Library
- MOTU Digital Performer | Mac Sequencing & Digital Recording Environment
- Studio Electronics SE1 | Analogue MIDI Monosynth
- Tascam PE40 | Parametric EQ

PEOPLE + OPINION

- Jonathan More (Coldcut): Philosophy | Interview | Band
- Necroscope: Surviving Live | Interview | Band
- Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert: The Other Two and You | Interview | Band
- Tony Platt: Production Lines | Opinion | Music Production
- Toyah Wilcox: Leap | Interview | Artist
- Will Mowat: Soul Music | Interview | Artist

TECHNIQUE

- Atari & CD-ROM | Atari Notes
- Aural Hygiene: How To Keep Noise At Bay, Part 2 | Tips & Techniques
- Buying Used Gear | Tips & Techniques
- Creating Analogue Sounds On Digital Synths, Part 1 | Tips & Techniques
- Kawai K1 | Sequencing Clinic
- Macro Systems Toccata 16-bit Sampling System | Amiga Notes
- PC Retrospective 1993 | PC Notes
- Power Vocoding | Boss SE50 & SE70
- Shift and Conquer; Compress and Sustain; Simple Midi Switch | Sound Bites
- What's In Store For 1994? | Apple Notes
- Yamaha QY10 | Sequencing Clinic

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Anyway, once we decide on the preferred formats and posting details, I can have the whole lot done and up today... :thumbup:
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:08 am

desmond wrote:I don't know what the max length of forum posts is

"Your message contains 695168 characters. The maximum number of allowed characters is 90000."

:think:

That means I could get a year's worth of issues into a single forum post, with ten posts for the full index by issue.

Or, if we kept each issue to a single forum post in an overall index thread, that would let those posts/issues be directly linked to from other site pages, if that is something that the PTB might find useful.

If we're going to keep this to a single thread, then I'd propose the first post be some blurb, and a direct link to the posts in the thread by issue, and then the same for the others - although we're not going to be able to pull indexes by reviews etc all in one post due to size.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:21 am

Desmond

With databases or data lists the important thing is how it is used. How does somebody approaching this information request a result and how is it presented. In my case it might be that I would like all articles on Roland JV or Korg Trinity (to name two obvious examples from the period).

If all the possible links are visible on one page, I would be happy with the browser search - it would tell me how many instances, it would highlight them, and it would allow me to step through them.

If the data is across two or more pages, I suppose we would be reliant on the Forum search, which would bring them up, but also mix them with any other references to those bits of gear in the Fora - which means a less focussed search than just results from the SOS web archive.

If, as seems likely, it will not be possible to fit all of the links on one page of the Forum, might it be an idea to split them by Reviews, People and Opinion and Techniques? Would that make (say) all the Reviews searchable in one page?

Or is there a more focussed way of searching within the a Forum thread that I haven't understood?

p.s. the more compact look is fine. Well done - again!
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