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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:40 am

BillB wrote:With databases or data lists the important thing is how it is used.

Indeed. How we are doing this here is a compromise for sure, but it's better than the current situation of having to go use the Wayback Machine to find your way around.

BillB wrote:How does somebody approaching this information request a result and how is it presented. In my case it might be that I would like all articles on Roland JV or Korg Trinity (to name two obvious examples from the period).

If all the possible links are visible on one page, I would be happy with the browser search - it would tell me how many instances, it would highlight them, and it would allow me to step through them.

That would be the ideal and what I'm trying to go for, but again, I'm a bit limited in options with the forum - it depends on how many posts get paginated and so on. (Looks like 15 posts per page, non-user-configurable).

BillB wrote:If, as seems likely, it will not be possible to fit all of the links on one page of the Forum, might it be an idea to split them by Reviews, People and Opinion and Techniques? Would that make (say) all the Reviews searchable in one page?

Yes. I've done essentially indexes for:
- By Issue
- All Reviews
- All People + Opinion
- All Technique
- Other (mainly Sound Advice and Music Business)

While it's nice to keep the indexes in one thread to keep everything together and for searching, it might be not ideal to try to bung everything in one thread for usability reasons - so perhaps we should have a few threads?

BillB wrote:p.s. the more compact look is fine. Well done - again!

Thanks - yes, I prefer that too and is more or less what I have initially gone with for now.

Presumably this should go in the Useful Information forum? With maybe the sticky/information thread (this thread) updated so the first post includes links to the eventual indexes.

Also - it seems there were issue contents on SOS for Jan 2002 so I've stopped at Dec 2001 - would that be correct?

I'm basically ready to post, so perhaps I should post them up in the way that seems most sensible, and we can discuss whether it works, what needs to be changed etc, from there? Obviously, once the post edit window expires I'll need to pester the mods to make changes...
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:32 am

Great stuff! Look forward to seeing the the result.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:49 am

I'm building a work-in-progress thread in the Feedback forum so we can see how it's shaping up:
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 29&t=72711

I'm hitting the post size limit limit on these - just a smidge over 90000... I've deleted the last few articles to make the last few years fit, but if we could up the max post limit from 90000 to 100000 that wouldn't affect most people, but would mean we can fit everything in this format without splitting up years etc.

Edit: There have been some posts in that thread, so I've stopped while I wait for a mod to move Drew's feedback post to this thread so I can continue... Sorry about the delay.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:11 am

:clap: :thumbup:

Let me know when you're done and I'll lock and pin it so that it remains a tidy index, rather than a thread full of feedback comments.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:18 am

It's a work in progress Hugh, I'm just pulling it together so we can see and discuss it - it doesn't mean that particular thread should stay there or that it's it's final form just yet. I'm just building it out, but I'm trying to hit page boundaries to see how the data falls which I can't do when there's other posts popping up.

I've edited the first post to ask people to not post there for now.

Edit: Thanks! Carrying on...
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:42 am

Ok, everything is up now.

Page 1 of the thread is the first post, and the By Issue indexes, one post per year (12 issues). Keeps everything on one page.
(As I say, I've had to snip a few articles from the last two years for length).

Page 2 is the "All" indexes - Reviews, People + Opinion, Technique, & Sound Advice + Music Business, which all fits neatly on one page.

So how's it looking?
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:12 pm

desmond wrote:So how's it looking?

Utterly stunning :bouncy:

Just browsing and discovering stuff that I didn't know was there or had ever been covered by SOS.

Is it really only 24 hours since I said "it would be a good idea if" and "I could do it this really clunky way...."

This is an amazing addition to the SOS heritage, and adds greatly to the fabulous resource that is Muzines.

I hope SOS can link to it (or its final location) from the places where people look for back issues, reviews etc. Perhaps a link from Muzines too?

Running out of praise terminology.... Very well done, Desmond
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:23 pm

Thanks - Well, it's a proof of concept, anyway, to see what we are dealing with.

We really need to see what the PTB would like done with it, but at least we've started the ball rolling... :lol:
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:35 pm

I don't think the forum is the ideal location, and not least because the forum software is apparently on its knees with the amount of content it already has (hence the planned post culls).

I think the best place for this would be a dedicated page within the main SOS website, so it can be integrated with the site search engine more efficiently, and where casual site surfers would expect to find it.

I gather Ian will be in contact to discuss options with you.

Amazing work though, fantastic effort! :clap: :thumbup: :D
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:37 pm

Just spotted something where a bit of editing would help. On the Reviews / People / Techniques listings, particularly with the Techniques where there are multiple parts (e.g. Synth Secrets)
a) the reference titles were not always written the same way, so appear out of sequence e.g.: some in CAPS, some not; some use 'and', some use '&'; where they are numbered parts they should ideally be 01~09, 10, 11 etc, rather than 1~9, 10, 11 etc.

All of these force the lists out of sequence and, I am sure, will offend your order-seeking brain as much as mine :headbang:

Still fab, though :D

Glad to hear Hugh's suggestion that this may have a more permanent home than the Forum. It adds greatly to SOS's heritage and usefulness, so deserves it.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:38 pm

All sounds good to me!

Note - you can remove the post for now if necessary - it was a work in progress to help us decide what to do about it, and seems to have fulfilled that purpose! :o :blush:
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:41 pm

BillB wrote:All of these force the lists out of sequence and, I am sure, will offend your order-seeking brain as much as mine :headbang:

They do, believe me. :lol:

When I was trying different sorting options, some of the lack of consistency in these meant things weren't ideal and I couldn't do somethings that would otherwise be nice, but it's not really my task to fix those things, however much I wanted to! :P

In any case, this exposes these things, which is useful. It maybe that the ultimate form of the index is different, anyway...
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:07 pm

I've removed desmond's work-in-progress index from the Feedback forum pending the imminent launch of a dedicated page that he has put together with Ian G on the main SOS website....

Standby for more information!

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SOS Index to Past Issues on WebArchive.org

Postby Forum Admin » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:26 pm

Thanks to some speedy work by our very own hero desmond, I've created two web pages to host desmond's wonderful Wayback Machine Index of SOS Articles from January 1994 to December 2001.

Index - By Issue | 1994 - 2001

Index - All Articles | 1994 - 2001

The articles link to their Wayback Machine version if they are available (sample libraries etc were never on the early SOS website). Searching is best done using your browser's on-page search function.

desmond and I will investigate ways of working together to get the missing articles back onto this soundonsound.com site as fast as we can.
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Re: SOS Past Issues on WebArchive.org

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