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mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby hooty2 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:36 pm

Hi,
i am just now reading my prosoundweb mail shot...introducing the
Mirizio microphone mount for piano.

youtube link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinhkIbm8pY

I am wondering about the potential problem of resonances from the coupling of the mount with the piano...and i wondered about the same potential issue with other coupled systems that are physically connected to the piano.

does anyone have experience about this?

i'm tempted to buy this or another similar.

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:28 pm

I've not used that particular design, but I often use a (long discontinued) equivalent called the Piano Barre, which has a very similar design and construction. I reviewed it decades ago and found it so useful I bought the review model which works very well.

I've not noticed any problems with resonances or vibrations -- although I do generally use Rycote shock-mounts on the attached mics (but more out of habit than need).

This Mirizio design looks rather elegant, and it isn't a completely mad price at $200 dollars (plus shipping). There's a lot of metal-working involved in its manufacture.

I've contacted the company to try to get a review sample...

http://www.pianomount.com/

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:36 pm

Just on the off chance. Does anybody make a miking system for uprights?

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:40 pm

I've never seen a system specifically for uprights, but this (and a similar system from DPA) can be used to suspend mics across the top of an upright if you want to put your mics there.

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:06 pm

Yes, I see. Thinking about it, it shouldn't be too difficult to build something of the kind either. I'll give some thought to this. Thanks.

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Bob Bickerton » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:48 am

Depends on your application and if it's necessary to work with a lid closed.

If it's classical genres or situations where bleed isn't an issue from other instruments, I'd prefer to use mics on a stand for ease of set up and repositioning.

In fact I've just ordered a variation on this Triad-Orbit stand:

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Except I'll use the four way IO-Vector attachment with two boom arms.

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby John Willett » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:20 am

hooty2 wrote:Hi,
i am just now reading my prosoundweb mail shot...introducing the
Mirizio microphone mount for piano.

youtube link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinhkIbm8pY

I am wondering about the potential problem of resonances from the coupling of the mount with the piano...and i wondered about the same potential issue with other coupled systems that are physically connected to the piano.

does anyone have experience about this?

i'm tempted to buy this or another similar.

cheers

In the video he does mention that you can use the mic. shock-mounts - which is what I would do.

Not sure about the final design, though...

I would have included felt, or something, on any part that touches the piano to avoid scratching the piano - I would hate to be left with a bill for getting rid of scratches on a £100,000 + Steinway.

Also - it had that nasty American mic. thread. :madas: Not sure if they do an option with a proper mic. thread.
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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:31 pm

John Willett wrote: I would have included felt, or something, on any part that touches the piano to avoid scratching the piano...

It's a very obvious and simple requirement, and if you bothered to look at the website you'd have seen the end plates do indeed have protective felts!

Also - it had that nasty American mic. thread.

There's nothing 'nasty' about it -- it's perfectly functional and entirely fit for purpose.

But of course it has 5/8-inch threads: it's the standard option in the US and the manufacturer is in the US.

There are such things as thread adaptors, of course, but maybe if sales pick up he'll go to the trouble and expense of having alternative mounts manufactured for parochial European customers. ;)
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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Kwackman » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:There are such things as thread adaptors, of course,

Those adaptors are evil things. ;)

They either attach themselves to the mic stand's thread when you want them to stay in the mic holder, or in the mic holder when you want to keep them on the stand.

If they are in the mic holder, they will be inevitably be upside down with the slot to unscrew them (with a coin or big screwdriver) hidden.
Even if it isn't upside down, it will have been screwed in too far leaving the slot recessed so it can't be undone with a coin, only with a big blade screwdriver (which you will have left behind!)
Then there's always the odd one that has been glued into the mic holder....
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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:00 pm

I agree -- thread adaptors are (or should be) a last resort... But I'll happily use a thread adaptor if it solves an immediate mechanical problem.

Most of the other issues you mention come down to basic rigging competence and making sensible use of locking rings on the mic stands rather than relying on over-tightening everything! ;-)

(I have a very neat Guiness-branded penknife on my 'rigging keyring' which has a flat screwdriver blade the perfect size for submerged thread adaptors! Also on the keyring are a Bright-eyes for checking the presence of phantom power, and Ping! and Sing! signal generators.)

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby John Willett » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:56 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
John Willett wrote: Also - it had that nasty American mic. thread.

There's nothing 'nasty' about it -- it's perfectly functional and entirely fit for purpose.

This is where I beg to disagree.

The 5/8" thread is far too fine and often binds and gets stuck - especially when, as some manufacturers do, make the thread in cheap material.

Also, dust can get trapped in the threads and cause more sticking.

A very nasty thread in my opinion. :madas:

IMHO - the very best thread is the ½" thread that Neumann use (though thair thread adaptors are reversable with both ½" and 3/8" threads) as this is great both for microphone adaptors and for heavy boom arms (this is the thread that K&M use on their large stands) and the best option would be to have this thread as a standard. :thumbup:

The standard 3/8" thread is the 2nd best (after the ½" thread) for mics as the thread is also course and rarely ever binds or sticks. :thumbup:
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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:41 pm

John Willett wrote:This is where I beg to disagree. The 5/8" thread is far too fine and often binds and gets stuck...

I accept your view, but I can't say I've ever had a problem with it although I do prefer the 3/8-inch thread.

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:57 am

Just a quick update to say that a mount is now winging it's way across to me from the States for review. Watch this space...

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Re: mirizio mic mount for piano - what about noise from hardware

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:00 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Just a quick update to say that a mount is now winging it's way across to me from the States for review. Watch this space...

Excellent! 8-)

(you can then check the effectiveness of the felt ;) )


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