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Re: Grotboxes

Postby craigtumps » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am

ConcertinaChap wrote:There's an old dodge I learned in these forums that works surprisingly well, I've found. Set the mix playing quite loud then go out of the room completely and listen from the other side of the door. It's surprising how many imbalances show up when you do that.

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So now we gotta mix for the guys that are stuck in the queue outside the club. Making music is hard. :D
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:40 am

No, that 'outside the door' mix is for the people in the toilets........
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby blinddrew » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:48 am

Given some of the venues I've played, that's pretty much how the house PA sounds...
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby craigtumps » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:20 am

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:28 pm

blinddrew wrote:Given some of the venues I've played, that's pretty much how the house PA sounds...

And, at many, smells too.....
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby DC-Choppah » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:39 am

I like to print to cassette and listen in my old truck. Mixing flaws stick out like a sore thumb there.

I think everybody is listening to music in their cars now while in traffic.
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby The Elf » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:13 am

One listen to a mix in the car is worth twenty times playing it over 'perfect' monitoring systems. ;)
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:15 pm

If you play your newly minted CD in a car while driving around it really exposes any mismatches between tracks.

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Re: Grotboxes

Postby blinddrew » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:31 pm

ConcertinaChap wrote:If you play your newly minted CD in a car while driving around it really exposes any mismatches between tracks.

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Am I right in thinking this only works after commercial pressing? ;)
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Sam Spoons » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:49 pm

Depends on the car, my old golf didn't like CDRs but the aftermarket player in the Shogun is fine with them.......
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:24 pm

blinddrew wrote:Am I right in thinking this only works after commercial pressing? ;)

All the cars I've had that would play CDs (3 so far and all with factory fitted units) would all play CDRs. There's something about all the ambient noise that shows up problems.

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Re: Grotboxes

Postby DC-Choppah » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:46 pm

I played a mix in my car that I thought was pretty good and my little girl said 'that one hurts my ears Daddy'.

I asked her if it was too loud and she said that even when I turned it down it still hurt.

I listened, and heard a constant ringing upper mid tone from the piano and one from the guitar. I did a surgical narrow band cut on both. She said that it didn't hurt any more. That let us turn it up louder and hear the song better.

I hadn't notice that problem on the studio monitors.
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Zukan » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:30 am

I'm almost certain a company has started re-issuing the NS10 topologies in their new line of monitors?
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby The Elf » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:20 am

Zukan wrote:I'm almost certain a company has started re-issuing the NS10 topologies in their new line of monitors?
The audio equivalent of re-issuing polio, outside toilets and rationing... :roll:
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Forum Admin » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:58 am

ConcertinaChap wrote:There's something about all the ambient noise that shows up problems.

True -- I think it's a similar concept to mixing through Pink Noise.

I have my car 'stereo' (although it's more like a 5.1 speaker setup) set up on its Balance control to move the phantom centre over to the right, nearer the driver, where my head usually is. Otherwise I'm getting too much R signal. Anyone else do this, or do you leave it with the Balance set to the middle?
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Wonks » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:03 am

I do the same.
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby The Elf » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:28 am

I leave mine flat on all settings - balance included. I find that my hearing sort of 'adjusts'.
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby Dow Fereday » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:38 am

craigtumps wrote:Hi Guys,

I'm looking for tips when it comes to grotbox speakers. Is anyone using PC speakers? Any ones you recommend?

Obviously there are Mixcubes but I'd rather not spend that kind of money.

I'm not looking to mix into the grotboxes, I just want something as more of a quick sanity check.

Are there any tips for this kind of thing, sealed-only speakers for example?

Currently my trick is to record a video of the tune I'm working on with my phone then listen to it back. :lol: Surprisingly it does give me an insight in to how its sounding at grot level. :) But I want something better now.

I have a little nasty little battery fm transmitter (very cheap limited range) tune in on a band members radio in their car...wala naff sound
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby ore_terra » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:50 pm

Wonks wrote:I do the same.
I do the same, and when I'm in a hire car I got to stop, set the balance that way and only then I can move on otherwise I get sort of an OCD feeling :lol:
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Re: Grotboxes

Postby CS70 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:35 pm

blinddrew wrote:
ConcertinaChap wrote:If you play your newly minted CD in a car while driving around it really exposes any mismatches between tracks.

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Am I right in thinking this only works after commercial pressing? ;)

If you think loudness, just put a limiter on..
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