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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:48 am
by Agharta
DC-Choppah wrote:One of the things that you have to learn how to do with WIndows 10 is to tell it to not update any of your drivers that affect music production. This can all be controlled. Surprisingly, this includes the video drivers too. But it does take a bit of time to learn how to do that. Just a few minutes really.
Thanks and how exactly do you do this?

James Perrett wrote:There is something to be said for keeping vital production machines offline.
This is the case in other industries also but for music software that is not so easy with some software that needs to go online occasionally.
Also, it’s not that practical for the majority of DAW users who are not professional users so don't have the luxury of running two computers.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:29 am
by DC-Choppah
Drill down in control panel (type 'control panel' into the windows 10 search box to open the control panel):
Control Panel\System and Security\System\Advanced system settings\Hardware

Click on
Device Installation settings

There is a switch to not allow automatic download of device manufacturer applications, and icons.

Microsoft Help says by setting this, the device drivers will not be updated. But the rest of windows will get updated.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:57 am
by ef37a
Re "keeping offline"?

Whilst I of course, in this elite computing company, do not know much of the problems of keeping a music rig offline I would like to comment?

Been lurking in computer audio over 10 years and "in the beginning" everybody was told to stay of the internet. There were some uber experts like Mr Walker who ran PC music systems whilst checking his emails but for the most part we were told "Don't!"

Now it seems you HAVE TO? The obvious solution has been mooted, have a "clunker" just for internet and "office" work. "Peeps can't afford that" was a response. But they CAN afford a mac?? In any case, a few years ago I picked up an XP tower from a charity shop for a tenner! Yes, it was pretty low spec but I stuck W7 on it and it worked fine on the net and ran Word and such.
Most audio software that needs updates gives an option to download and save (to a stick say) then transfer the update that way. Samplitude certainly does.

Now, I know this is unpopular but I am also going to put in a plea for the return of "Notes" or something like it. Maybe mac and PC could be run together? Presently people's experience of W10 seems to range from "sliced bread" to "Destructive crap". We, the great unwashed in the middle are bemused by conflicting reports. Brexit for audio!

Dave.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:08 pm
by OneWorld
One thing I cannot fathom is......

I have my RME interface.........

But then like any other motherboard, there's a soundchip - SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio.

And for some strange reason there's a sound driver installed with my graphics card and this shows as AMD High Definition Audio Device

All the above display in Device Manager/Sound Video and Game Controllers

Why would my graphics card install an audio driver?

And do I need all 3 or can I just get by on the RME, as I mentioned I don't use the PC for games or anything, just Cubase.

As for the mention of having a 2nd machine for internet etc, an old cluncker of a 4 core XEON machine, and it just keeps on going. The music machine has to be connected to the internet though because some software demands it.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:13 pm
by Agharta
OneWorld wrote:And for some strange reason there's a sound driver installed with my graphics card and this shows as AMD High Definition Audio Device
All the above display in Device Manager/Sound Video and Game Controllers
Why would my graphics card install an audio driver?
I think it's required for HDCP content protection so that the audio path over HDMI is secured.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:48 pm
by ef37a
Agharta wrote:
OneWorld wrote:And for some strange reason there's a sound driver installed with my graphics card and this shows as AMD High Definition Audio Device
All the above display in Device Manager/Sound Video and Game Controllers
Why would my graphics card install an audio driver?
I think it's required for HDCP content protection so that the audio path over HDMI is secured.

Makes sense but you certainly don't need the MOBO sound card if you have a USB or PCI interface. I always disabled it in my main PC running a 2496. I leave is working in this W7 HP laptop because I can then record radio sound (stereo mix) and it is convenient to just plug cans in. The drivers in my KA6 are good enough that they just overrule it, not all might?

Dave.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:31 pm
by Agharta
ef37a wrote:
Agharta wrote:
OneWorld wrote:And for some strange reason there's a sound driver installed with my graphics card and this shows as AMD High Definition Audio Device
All the above display in Device Manager/Sound Video and Game Controllers
Why would my graphics card install an audio driver?
I think it's required for HDCP content protection so that the audio path over HDMI is secured.
Makes sense but you certainly don't need the MOBO sound card if you have a USB or PCI interface.
This is not the Mobo sound chip but one built into the graphics card which in this case was highlighted as being an AMD card.
I think the main purpose for it is for content protection purposes.
They want a secure path from the PC to a TV so that you can't rip the raw audio data stream.

It's useful when for example you connect a laptop to a TV, provided it's selected, otherwise you would get no audio passed to the TV over HDMI.
This is my limited understanding of the situation and I imagine there's more to it than this.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:58 pm
by ef37a
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:
Agharta wrote:
OneWorld wrote:And for some strange reason there's a sound driver installed with my graphics card and this shows as AMD High Definition Audio Device
All the above display in Device Manager/Sound Video and Game Controllers
Why would my graphics card install an audio driver?
I think it's required for HDCP content protection so that the audio path over HDMI is secured.
Makes sense but you certainly don't need the MOBO sound card if you have a USB or PCI interface.
This is not the Mobo sound chip but one built into the graphics card which in this case was highlighted as being an AMD card.
I think the main purpose for it is for content protection purposes.
They want a secure path from the PC to a TV so that you can't rip the raw audio data stream.

It's useful when for example you connect a laptop to a TV, provided it's selected, otherwise you would get no audio passed to the TV over HDMI.
This is my limited understanding of the situation and I imagine there's more to it than this.

Yes, HDMI sound. THAT is what I said made sense but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO. In fact I have an Asus MOBO that does not even have graphics! Hissed me off when I realized, had to shoot to Maplin and spend another 30 quid. Oh! Those were the days!

Dave.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:05 am
by Agharta
ef37a wrote:... but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO.
We were talking about the HDMI audio chip on a Graphics Card though so different topic.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:22 am
by ef37a
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:... but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO.
We were talking about the HDMI audio chip on a Graphics Card though so different topic.

No? OneWorld asked if he needed three "soundcards" or just his RME.

Dave.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:33 pm
by OneWorld
ef37a wrote:
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:... but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO.
We were talking about the HDMI audio chip on a Graphics Card though so different topic.

No? OneWorld asked if he needed three "soundcards" or just his RME.

Dave.

Yep, you got it in one :-)

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:32 pm
by Agharta
ef37a wrote:
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:... but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO.
We were talking about the HDMI audio chip on a Graphics Card though so different topic.
No? OneWorld asked if he needed three "soundcards" or just his RME. Dave.
That was the bigger picture but I only responded and quoted him on the Graphics card chip hence that was the context of my engagement.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:27 pm
by ef37a
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:
Agharta wrote:
ef37a wrote:... but there is always, AFAIK, another soundcard on the MOBO.
We were talking about the HDMI audio chip on a Graphics Card though so different topic.
No? OneWorld asked if he needed three "soundcards" or just his RME. Dave.
That was the bigger picture but I only responded and quoted him on the Graphics card chip hence that was the context of my engagement.

ALWAYS thinking of the bigger picture friend!

Dave.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:33 am
by Richard Graham
I use both Mac and PC for work and have used both for music production. If I want to just get on and record, compose or mix some music, Mac is way better.

Every time I use a Windows PC there seems to be some kind of impediment which I end up having to fix instead of getting on with the job at hand: this could also be because I do it so rarely these days.

As for cost, my first (and so far only) Mac, a (secondhand) 2012 MacBook Pro Retina cost me just over a grand, five years ago and it still works as perfectly as it has throughout. For a piece of kit that I use all day every day, I’d say this was good value for money. Yes I could have bought a Windows laptop with a similar spec for a couple of hundred less. Perhaps I’d still even be using it, who knows?

In fairness to Windows, It seems to remain backwards-compatible with software and hardware for longer, and it’s the only choice if you’re a gamer (I’m not). Other than that, Mac all the way. One more word of caution: there was an unexpected learning curve and it took a few months to really feel comfortable with OSX.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:42 am
by desmond
Richard Graham wrote:there was an unexpected learning curve and it took a few months to really feel comfortable with OSX.

Yes, as people generally have to unlearn many of the MS/Windows conventions they've been using, probably since they started using computers.

I actually started (properly) on the Atari ST, which was very Mac-like, and that's where my roots were planted. I then diverted through the PC for many years, and never liked it much, because Windows PC's were mostly unreliable and over-complicated garbage in those days. I tolerated it because I had no other choice, really.

When I finally went Mac, liked I'd wanted to for years, it was a joy, as it was closer to coming "home", but even then, it still took me quite some time to unlearn the Windows conventions and find new ways of solving problems that I'd previously solved on the PC (ie, understanding where thing are, what apps/utilities will do the things I need etc).

Often it was the case that I wanted to do something that was usually hard on the PC, so went looking for the corresponding "hard" way on the Mac, completely overlooking simple and obvious ways (for instance, hunting about the file menu for import or conversion commands or utilities to get data into an app, and finding all you had to do was drop it on the window...).