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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:28 pm
by OneWorld
DC-Choppah wrote:
OneWorld wrote:
Imagine being sat at the computer and moving the mouse rapidly from left to right, every 2 or 3 seconds the mouse 'freezes' momentarily. Imagine the mouse cursor being in the centre of the screen and you want to move to the menu along the top of the screen, the mouse 'stalls' for a moment on the journey from the centre of the screen to the menu bar. OK it's not big deal, but when in Cubase and doing some intense editing, a lot of mousing about, it really is an inconvenience.

Now in sync with the mouse error, the progress line in Cubase stops too. Imagine playing a tune and the scroll bar is moving from left to right as the tune plays. The scroll bar stops every few seconds, only for a moment, then it starts moving again and catches up with itself, but again after a few seconds, stalls for a moment.

What makes this even stranger is that I can start Cubase and the fault does not show up until about after an hour or so of use. I am completely baffled by this behaviour. I have downloaded new/older drivers, I have even tried swapping out my Fireface 800 for my Liquid 56 interface, as I knew I definitely never had the problem before I got the FF800, but, no difference. And because it is relatively random, it's hard to track down when the problem first surfaced. I have tried every setting I can think of but no solution.

The fix was far far simpler, but one that foxed me for weeks


My DAW (ProTools) acted that way recently too. Just like you, if I left it on for some time, it would become laggy like this. Turned out the problem was the CMOS battery on the mobo had run out and the system clock was wrong. When your system clock is off and/or the CMOS battery is out you get weird Windows problems on anything time critical like a DAW or the mouse. Please replace your mobo CMOS battery, make sure your bios is updated and the system time is set properly. Note this is not a 'Windows' issue if it is the case since WIndows just runs on top of your system and trusts the system clock. If your system clock is unreliable, Windows will be unreliable too.


The fix was far far simpler, and had it been the MOBO battery, the fault would have been consistent not internetmittent, but it was a fix so simple I could slap myself in the face with a wet fish, but was so hard to isolate, but here goes....

I have 2 PCS (PC A - Office PC) and (PC B - for music) I have 2 4K monitors Mon 1, Mon2

PC A --> Mon 1

PC B --> Mon 2, + Mon 1 (Music PC can be displayed over 2 monitors)

I don't always have PC B displaying to Mon 1 + Mon2, only when I am doing some in depth editing

If I am not using PC A, but it is switched on, Mon 1 will go to sleep, and depending on use, it can go to sleep intermittently

At the same time PC B will be turned on, but not actually displaying to Mon1 + Mon2, as PC A is displaying to it, but if I choose to have PC B displaying to both monitors then I can select the input I want to display on both.

When the problem (the stalling scroll bar + jittery mouse) first arose, or more precisely, when I first noticed it as a re-occurring problem but one that occurred intermittently, WIn10 had updated, I had bought a new mouse + keyboard, I had bought a new MIDI controller and had updated some software.

Because of my layout, I don't see both monitors at the same time, they are at 90 degrees to each other, I like to keep the second monitor as a mixing monitor, I don't need to see Cubase scroll going along, I treat the monitor as a mixing desk, in conjunction with hardware MIDI controller - I have a virtual console. And if I want to use email, MS Office etc, I use PC A anyway. Point is, when it goes to sleep, I might be looking the other way and not notice the instant it went to sleep.

Seeing as Win10 had updated, I had bought new equipment, new keyboard + mouse, new software and noticed the 'fault' I suspected one of these changes was the culprit, the usual garden path logic. It turned out to be purely coincidental that I noticed the fault. And tried the logical route - go back t the old keyboard + mouse, swapped out the new MIDI controller etc, rolled back my WIndows image etc etc etc

For a day, everything went well, then I would go and get a cuppa, came back, set play going on Cubase and the problem was back grrrrrr I even changed my tea from Yorkshire to Typhoo.

Then the other day I got up and thought I am going to nail this once and for all. I sort of stress tested each hardware keyboard, each MIDI controller etc etc and after about 7 hours all was still working well!!!!! Yipeee

I went to make a cuppa, set Cubase going and DAMN!!!! the problem was back again. I sat back, and supped my tea and asked myself, what has changed in the time it takes to make a cup of tea - just one thing, I had turned off PC A had been turned off and so no signal coming in and as such gone to sleep, even though PC 2 was sending a signal to it, though coming into Mon1 (HDMI 1 fed from PC B)

So I reckoned that must be it. So I got the monitor remote, switched to HDMI 2 (fed from PC B (music PC monitor 2)) and then of course the music 2 displays were displaying and lo and behold, scroll bar operated as it should and so does the mouse - it was as simple as that.

I guess with the music PC using 2 monitors, the display card syncs them together? so when one monitor went off sync was lost, but why that should affect the mouse (and the qwerty keyboard) goodness knows, but I don't really care anyway, it works and that'll do me,

And I guess I owe Win10 an apology, it just happened to come to the party when the trouble started

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:34 pm
by Kwackman
OneWorld wrote:I even changed my tea from Yorkshire to Typhoo.

So, not satisfied with starting a Mac vs PC thread, you now sneak in a "tea wars" thread as well!
Mods- surely a ban is justified now?

Glad you got your PC woes sorted in the end!

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:00 pm
by blinddrew
Yeah, I was about to comment how much I like this forum because we can have a 6-page discussion on this topic without the word 'fanboi' popping up anywhere.

Then someone had to mention switching to typhoo. :roll:

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:25 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Tyboi? Fanphoo?

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:54 pm
by ManFromGlass
Always been a big fan of lapsang souchong, isn't that another fight, er, thread? :D

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:53 am
by OneWorld
ManFromGlass wrote:Always been a big fan of lapsang souchong, isn't that another fight, er, thread? :D

If Microsoft made tea you'd have to update your cuppa every 5 minutes and have it served up by Cortina who'd wheel it into the room on an 16 wheeler tea trolley and you'd have to opt in to the 'customer journey experience' to get a dollop of sugar and milk, you might even have to do a re-install depending on whether you're a milk first or sugar first person.

I know one thing, a cuppa has never tasted so good in my wee studio since I got this problem fixed. The fonts are still fuzzy in browser apps but I'll pay a visit to SpecSavers, maybe that will fix it.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:30 pm
by ConcertinaChap
With Apple it's always Earl Grey with a dash of lemon, but very nicely made and served in a cup designed by Jony Ive with a price tag to match.

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Edited to add PS: and nice and hot, sometimes very hot ...

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:41 pm
by ManFromGlass
and the flavour disappears after a spell unless you constantly upgrade the TeaOS

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:08 pm
by CS70
With Linux, you're given a toolbox to build your own boiler and the cup is to be assembled by carefully riveting together ten tiny plates of coated aluminium in random shapes without a reference drawing but when you manage you get a super tight and isolating cup that can be used for tea, coffe and even as a temporary gasoline holder should the need arise.

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:39 pm
by OneWorld
ManFromGlass wrote:and the flavour disappears after a spell unless you constantly upgrade the TeaOS

And what do you brew it in - a TOSPot?

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:40 pm
by OneWorld
ConcertinaChap wrote:With Apple it's always Earl Grey with a dash of lemon, but very nicely made and served in a cup designed by Jony Ive with a price tag to match.

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Edited to add PS: and nice and hot, sometimes very hot ...
Earl GREY? how many shades does it come in?

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:29 pm
by ConcertinaChap
You got me bang to rights there, I should of course have said Earl Space Grey.

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:48 pm
by BobTheDog
One thing to think about is that OSX was designed to be a proper OS, while windows 10 has been built upon many layers of pre-existing software.

So even though they both claim to have preemption and fully support SMP one does it well and one does it badly.

It's pretty simple to make Windows 10 unresponsive, just load all the cpus up and watch the whole thing grind to a halt, do the same thing on OSX and the whole system remains responsive.

For me also OSX is designed to enable me to do lots of things at the same time, windows has improved with 10 but the multiple desktops multiple apps paradigm on OSX is just better.

Usually I run Windows 10 in VMWare fusion on the Mac to run the development software I use for work, so for everything else I use the Mac, this includes shells to Linux machines, OS X development tools, browsers, pdfs, mail. All that sort of stuff.

The current work I am doing though the company is paranoid and I have to use a bit locker windows pc, so I am having to spend my working days fully in Windows 10. I would say my productivity is probably down by 20-30%, this is why I like macs!

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:10 pm
by Watchmaker
WIN10 killed the radio star

Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:37 pm
by John Willett
ConcertinaChap wrote:You got me bang to rights there, I should of course have said Earl Space Grey.

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Oi - are youi being rude about my new MacBook Pro? - in Space Grey, of course - ;) :protest:

I do use both Mac and a Windows PC - but I do everything on the Mac and only use the PC when I *have* to on software that is PC only.

After using a Mac, going back to the PC seems so "clunky" in comparison.