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Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:58 pm
by forumuser915213
Concertinas are certainly very important!

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:54 pm
by Sam Spoons
Accordian to CC they are ;)

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:24 pm
by forumuser915213
According to this Jeffries duet concertina player too...

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:07 am
by ConcertinaChap
Actually no, I don't play in the Carols Band. As one of the organisers I do much of the rushing around sorting issues as they arise and keeping things running smoothly. I suspect Gavin knows what I mean.

My wife has much more fun than I do ...

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CC

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:09 am
by ConcertinaChap
forumuser915213 wrote:According to this Jeffries duet concertina player too...

Jeffries duet? Much respect! We had a Jeffries duet player along at the session tonight by co-incidence and that was the first one I've seen for a good few months. Nice one!

(We had a MacCann duet as well as anglos a-plenty and a couple of Englishes. Our session is rich in concertina players).

CC

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:45 pm
by forumuser915213
It's only right to have a lot of fun at a pub carol sing!

Gavin

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:16 pm
by forumuser915213
I've used the Tascam DR-680 for recording a carol sing for the first time, using a crossed pair of cardioids and a spaced pair of omnis . as CC suggested. The spaced pair are were SP C4s and the omnis were Behringer B5s.

Here's the result: https://youtu.be/t7DUjQQi7Oc

I know this is YouTube, but I'm really quite pleased.

Some time I should set it up for use with a camera, I guess.

Gavin

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:27 pm
by Sam Inglis
Anyone who can master the duet concertina in any system deserves some sort of awestruck wonder from the musical community!

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:38 pm
by forumuser915213
I won't lie. I sort-of like it when people say things like that - but also worry that it will put future players off!!!

Gavin

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:22 pm
by The Elf
Mike Stranks wrote:I do recall a conversation that the Elf and I had a while back now where we scratched our heads about the effectiveness of an omni as a Mid - not that either of us had tried it then... don't know if he has since...
I was thinking that this might be a good option as an audience mic arrangement for my live recordings this year. The ultra-wide image might work well as a backdrop for the dry recordings. In the end I went with a dedicated ORTF mic, mainly for ease of setting up.

It still didn't prevent our resident keytar player tripping over the cable and sending the mic tumbling (from 18 inches - phew!) to the stage, though! :headbang: :lol:

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:00 pm
by ConcertinaChap
forumuser915213 wrote:I know this is YouTube, but I'm really quite pleased.

And I think you should be. Really quite nice and a good stereo spread.

Cheers,

CC

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:07 pm
by Folderol
Very good recording. Everyone coming through as individuals and well placed.

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:51 pm
by Sam Inglis
Mike Stranks wrote:[

That's interesting... I'd been wondering about an MS config... But I do recall a conversation that the Elf and I had a while back now where we scratched our heads about the effectiveness of an omni as a Mid - not that either of us had tried it then... don't know if he has since...

I've done M/S with an omni Mid mic. It works a treat when the performers are in a circle around the mics.

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:08 pm
by ConcertinaChap
You know, I should have realised well before this that I knew a Jeffries duet player called Gavin and that you must be he! My apologies for stupidity :)

@Sam, Gavin is not only a duet player, he is a very fine duet player!

Cheers,

CC

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:33 pm
by forumuser915213
***Blush*** And that's a home recording! Gavin

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:54 pm
by Sam Inglis
Crikey. Good work!

Do you by any chance know Lea Nicholson?

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:05 pm
by Mike Stranks
The Elf wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:I do recall a conversation that the Elf and I had a while back now where we scratched our heads about the effectiveness of an omni as a Mid - not that either of us had tried it then... don't know if he has since...
I was thinking that this might be a good option as an audience mic arrangement for my live recordings this year. The ultra-wide image might work well as a backdrop for the dry recordings. In the end I went with a dedicated ORTF mic, mainly for ease of setting up.

It still didn't prevent our resident keytar player tripping over the cable and sending the mic tumbling (from 18 inches - phew!) to the stage, though! :headbang: :lol:

18 inches? My 'worst' was 2.5 metres onto a concrete floor :shock: The NT5 survived albeit with a dink in the capsule case.

I tend to have standardised on hard-panned widely spaced cardioids for audience mics... often these days my Line Audio hypocardioids. Sometimes you can get a bit of a 'hole in the middle', but not unduly so. I actually quite like that as it lets you keep the atmos mics in the mix, but leaves space for the performers in the middle - I don't like extreme panning of mono sources.

Well done on the recording OP! There is something particularly satisfying about capturing these live events and making a permanent record of them.

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:33 am
by forumuser915213
Sam Inglis wrote:Crikey. Good work!

Do you by any chance know Lea Nicholson?

Julie and I did it with three t.bone SC450s and what now seems a very old Tascam 8-track.

I'm sorry to say I don't. I've seen him play once or twice, and thought him a very clever musician.

Gavin

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:35 am
by ConcertinaChap
I seem to be Facebook friends with Lea Nicholson but I've never met him. His LP Horse Music is good if you can find it but I don't think it ever made its way to CD.

CC

Re: Recording in pubs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:25 am
by Sam Inglis
Ah, I wasn't sure how close-knit the guild of master concertina players was! Lea lives around these parts and I see him now and again. He has a concertina once more after many years of not owning one -- but he is also very into electronic instruments and computer music.