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What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:36 pm
by samuk
I am looking to find something so that I can split a microphone signal (from an LDC) into two, one that goes to a Neve 1073 style clone, and the other to an Apogee Duet 2.

I think a splitter box is what I need.

Could anybody recommend one that would do what I’m looking for?

Thanks in advance

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 pm
by Watchmaker
Loads of these around. I have a couple Radial models laying around. a JS2 and MS2 iirc. both fine imo

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:18 pm
by James Perrett
There are various solutions...

I've often used a simple Y cable with good results - just make sure that you only enable phantom power on one device.

If you want a proper splitter, ART make a couple of suitable devices
http://artproaudio.com/product/splitcom ... -combiner/
http://artproaudio.com/product/prosplit ... -splitter/

and I've used the EMO passive splitters in the past with good results.
https://www.canford.co.uk/Index/EMO-mic ... -SPLITTERS

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:20 pm
by blinddrew
James Perrett wrote:I've often used a simple Y cable with good results - just make sure that you only enable phantom power on one device.
Was going to ask about this, on this assumption - thanks James. :)

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:38 pm
by Wonks
The drawback of a Y cable is the increased chance of a ground loop, so then breaking the ground/shield connection on one of the outputs is probably a good idea if you have issues. But you'd need to clearly mark which one has no pin 1 connection and use the other, full-fat output connector for the 48v phantom supply.

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:39 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
samuk wrote:I think a splitter box is what I need. Could anybody recommend one that would do what I’m looking for?

It is indeed -- although it is possible under some conditions to use a simple bodge Y-cable to split a mic's output, that arrangement is fraught with technical complications...

You'll normally need to break the screen connection on one output to avoid creating a ground-loop between the preamps, and be careful about sending phantom power from only one device. But as both preamps appear in parallel to the mic, there are issues with significantly reducing the preamp input impedance which can affect output level, transient distortion, phantom power voltage and more... So while it can be done, and it can work adequately in some situations, it's not a foolproof solution!

More reliable commercial mic splitters are available in two basic forms: passive and active, in single, dual and multi-channel formats, and with one, two, or many isolated outputs in addition to the primary 'pass-through' output.

There are pros and cons with both passive and active types, but in your situation a simple passive mic splitter would make most sense.

So, the standard passive mic splitter just contains a transformer of some form. The balanced mic input is passed directly to the primary output (which passes phantom power to the mic, if required) and is normally used to feed the 'main' mic preamp.

The mic input is also connected internally to the transformer, and that transformer provides one or more electrically isolated outputs to feed other destinations (but without loading the mic's output significantly, thereby avoiding most of the problems I mentioned above with the bogde Y-cable solution).

These separate transformer outputs often have individual ground-lift switches to 'cure' ground loops, and there may be an input pad option as well to avoid overloading the transformer with high-level mic sources. Note that the isolated outputs can't pass phantom power through to the mic.

In a typically live-sound application the primary output would feed the FOH console, and the secondary outputs would feed the monitor desk, location recording rig or whatever.

Passive mic splitters are available from a wide range of suppliers and in a wide range of prices. The main difference between the cheapest and most expensive versions (apart from the number of isolated outputs) is the quality of the transformer. Obviously, better quality transformers -- such as those from Jensen or Lundahl -- cost more than generic Chinese types... although whether you'll hear a significant difference depends on the kind of material, mics and monitoring that you're working with. ;-)

At the more affordable end of the range are splitters like the Studio Spares Red506 and ART ProSplit:

https://www.studiospares.com/Microphones/Splitter-Combiners/Studiospares-RED506-Microphone-Splitter_458250.htm

http://artproaudio.com/product/prosplit-transformer-isolated-mic-splitter/

While at the more expensive end are things like the Canford Splitter, Radial ProMS2, EMO E325, Radial JS2, and others...

https://www.canford.co.uk/Products/21230/20-021_CANFORD-MICROPHONE-SPLITTER-1-channel-2-way

https://www.canford.co.uk/EMO-MICROPHONE-SPLITTERS

http://www.radialeng.com/product/js2

http://www.radialeng.com/product/proms2

Personally, I'd recommend the Radial or EMO units which are high quality and will last a lifetime... The J series (with Jensen transformers) being particularly good (but very expensive). Having said that, though, I'm always impressed with the ART products when it comes to value for money, and I've used the 8-channel version of its ProSplit (the S8) with excellent results.

H

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:03 pm
by samuk
Thank you so much everyone for your replies! Incredibly helpful.

I think I’m going to go for a passive mic splitter from Radial - the JS2 one.

I’m definitely looking to avoid problems and get the best quality I can at the moment, so while I’ve always done DIY options before I think the JS2 will be reliable and remove any concern with quality.

Thanks again :)))

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:04 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
:thumbup: :D

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:17 pm
by James Perrett
Hugh Robjohns wrote:But as both preamps appear in parallel to the mic, there are issues with significantly reducing the preamp input impedance which can affect output level, transient distortion, phantom power voltage and more...

That's where the 5k input impedance option on my Audient preamps comes in handy.

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:54 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
James Perrett wrote:That's where the 5k input impedance option on my Audient preamps comes in handy.

:D Indeed!

H

Re: What to use to split a mic signal to send to two different outputs?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:06 pm
by John Willett
The splitters I like are the ones that have a straight-through for output-1 (onto which you put the phantom power) and output-2 via a transformer.

The straight out goes to the main recordin g channel and the second output for the PA or a back-up.

Oh - and I like the EMO boxes too. :thumbup: