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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:38 pm

OK

I have a bit of a headache here, I could really use some guidance here please.

I'm about to take on a Fostex DV2424 as an ADAT based HDD recorder. The issue I have now is finding a console with 24 channel ADAT connections.

I had been thinking about going to a Mackie HDR2496 with a D8B console setup as I came across one for sale, but I'm rather worried about whether to do this or not. I'm not sure whether to trust the console, etc as I've heard some users with issues, etc.

Other consoles I'm aware of that may work...
Sony DMX R100,
Panasonic Ramsa 7?
wouldn't really know of any others.

Ideally if I could find an early version Yamaha 02r96 (not the VCM model) and rig up ADAT that way, it's doable, but it's finding one. There was one on ebay but it's been that badly abused I'd be scared to buy it to find it's shot or failing.

Could anyone please advise me as to what I could do. if not, The hunt is still on for an all in one motorised fader system such as an akai dps24, Roland Vs2400 / 2480DVD, Korg D32XD, even a Tascam SX1 (but am told these had all sorts of issues) or yamaha Aw2400 or something like this. Any ideas?
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:58 pm

Lewis,
have you thought of the Yam AW4416? Plenty in the UK for £300ish, at least on Ebay. If memory serves, I think SOS reviewed it as not quite as good as the AW2400, but not far off either.

I have a DPS24 for sale, but it's in France, sadly! :frown:

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:24 am

OK this is the update I have to do.

Last night, I have been chatting via email with a user here who offered an AKAI DPS24 which he was selling. Stupid me here got my hopes up. Machine faulty, requires external AD converters to run channels as a few inputs have failed. I had already bid on a DPS24 from the USA with an international PSU 110/220V switching model as most are unless purchased directly from the US where it's 110v, sadly my bid at just after 1AM was outbid by $5, the seller was aware through my communications with him that I needed this, I gave decent bids, however I was taken ill last night and couldn't sit at mum's computer at 1AM to dive on it.

So, All hope is now lost. I cannot find anything which will work the way I need it to do, so my last solo album won't happen before my time comes. that's ok. life teaches you that you can't always do the things you want to do. so, I guess that's alright.

I'll ask admins to remove this thread as it's taking up valuable forum space.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Mike Stranks » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:15 pm

LewisAlexander2018 wrote:... I gave decent bids, however I was taken ill last night and couldn't sit at mum's computer at 1AM to dive on it....


For future reference, you don't have to sit at a computer until 1 am. You can use something like this https://biddingscheduler.com/ to enter the maximum you're prepared to pay and it will bid proactively just before the end of the auction to seek to win it for you.

As an example, a few minutes ago an auction of mine finished. It had 45 (ish) watchers and one bid that has sat there for three days. In the last minute there were five other bids... the winning bid came in two seconds before the end. That was obviously someone using bidding software who'd set up their bid and then got on with other things.

And don't despair... sometimes with these older machines or kit in general you just have to keep looking. With EBay as it now is then it's probable that it will appear eventually for sensible money.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:19 pm

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your kind words, much appreciated.

How is it that a seller on ebay selling a DPS24 sets the pace for stupid pricing? as an example... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRISTINE-AKA ... :rk:4:pf:1 which is asking £1895, had increased his price a while back. no interest, people watching no doubt but no sale.

then there's this, but it gets worse...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AKAI-Profess ... :rk:2:pf:1

This seller is a third party, like Cash Converters but has no clue how to market the product. No evidence of it running, seller can't tell me much about it, client who wants the money won't get involved in answering basic questions. Seller has placed "or nearest offer" function, yet wants as near highest price possible. as there's no evidence of power on, etc no description of any faults or issues, etc. it's an untrusted sale.

these two sellers are using the pricing scale to inflate the value of an outdated machine with outdated parts availability. I know I'm taking a risk with an older machine but at least I can service / upgrade to a degree and get the results I want.

Fingers crossed. If only someone had one of the early 02r96 machines, that'd do, alright it needs a recorder linked and it's not portable, but for studio use, fine.

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby OneWorld » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:42 pm

LewisAlexander2018 wrote:Hi Mike,

Thanks for your kind words, much appreciated.

How is it that a seller on ebay selling a DPS24 sets the pace for stupid pricing? as an example... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRISTINE-AKA ... :rk:4:pf:1 which is asking £1895, had increased his price a while back. no interest, people watching no doubt but no sale.

then there's this, but it gets worse...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AKAI-Profess ... :rk:2:pf:1

This seller is a third party, like Cash Converters but has no clue how to market the product. No evidence of it running, seller can't tell me much about it, client who wants the money won't get involved in answering basic questions. Seller has placed "or nearest offer" function, yet wants as near highest price possible. as there's no evidence of power on, etc no description of any faults or issues, etc. it's an untrusted sale.

these two sellers are using the pricing scale to inflate the value of an outdated machine with outdated parts availability. I know I'm taking a risk with an older machine but at least I can service / upgrade to a degree and get the results I want.

Fingers crossed. If only someone had one of the early 02r96 machines, that'd do, alright it needs a recorder linked and it's not portable, but for studio use, fine.

lew

You mention the 02r96, to get 24io ADAT, you could also consider the 01v96, it already has 8io ADAT and the addition of the MY16-AT card (£150-200 on eBay) would give you a further 16io ADAT

Back in the day I used to lust after the DPS24, but seeing as they are quite rare, and as such possibly difficult to find spares for, I went for the AW2400, these too have expansion slots and the Yamaha AT cards fit. However it took an eternity to transfer files to and from the DAW, which I used for finer edits - a 24 track project could only be transferred one track at a time. I sold it and got the DP24, this was much better but - no flying faders, short throw faders, no MIDI (but I did get it to sync to the DAW by way of USB, but it was hit and miss) and again the transfer of tracks to and from the DAW was patchy, sometimes it worked fine, next time I got 'file error'

I think had the HDR24 not been based on an ancient 386 PC motherboard (I was quoted £500 for a new motherboard!) I would have stayed with the HDR24

I think the thing that comes nearest to my preferences is the D32XD, but they are quite rare, and I had passed up the chance of one at £250!!!
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:39 pm

OneWorld wrote:
LewisAlexander2018 wrote:Hi Mike,

Thanks for your kind words, much appreciated.

How is it that a seller on ebay selling a DPS24 sets the pace for stupid pricing? as an example... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRISTINE-AKA ... :rk:4:pf:1 which is asking £1895, had increased his price a while back. no interest, people watching no doubt but no sale.

then there's this, but it gets worse...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AKAI-Profess ... :rk:2:pf:1


This seller is a third party, like Cash Converters but has no clue how to market the product. No evidence of it running, seller can't tell me much about it, client who wants the money won't get involved in answering basic questions. Seller has placed "or nearest offer" function, yet wants as near highest price possible. as there's no evidence of power on, etc no description of any faults or issues, etc. it's an untrusted sale.

these two sellers are using the pricing scale to inflate the value of an outdated machine with outdated parts availability. I know I'm taking a risk with an older machine but at least I can service / upgrade to a degree and get the results I want.

Fingers crossed. If only someone had one of the early 02r96 machines, that'd do, alright it needs a recorder linked and it's not portable, but for studio use, fine.

lew

You mention the 02r96, to get 24io ADAT, you could also consider the 01v96, it already has 8io ADAT and the addition of the MY16-AT card (£150-200 on eBay) would give you a further 16io ADAT

Back in the day I used to lust after the DPS24, but seeing as they are quite rare, and as such possibly difficult to find spares for, I went for the AW2400, these too have expansion slots and the Yamaha AT cards fit. However it took an eternity to transfer files to and from the DAW, which I used for finer edits - a 24 track project could only be transferred one track at a time. I sold it and got the DP24, this was much better but - no flying faders, short throw faders, no MIDI (but I did get it to sync to the DAW by way of USB, but it was hit and miss) and again the transfer of tracks to and from the DAW was patchy, sometimes it worked fine, next time I got 'file error'

I think had the HDR24 not been based on an ancient 386 PC motherboard (I was quoted £500 for a new motherboard!) I would have stayed with the HDR24

I think the thing that comes nearest to my preferences is the D32XD, but they are quite rare, and I had passed up the chance of one at £250!!!


I've been offered an aw2400 which would do the job, but knowing the amount of mics I use on certain locations this is where the DPS comes in, but considering the AW2400 is a bit on the lighter side, I may go for it. ok, drive will most likely need replacing and a good clean, but other than that, worth it. I'll let this chap know it's a yes.

The HDR2496 I used to run in two production environments, 1 being a college, the other, a client's studio. one was hooked to a 24-8 console as analogue, the other with a D8B. So had to do a bit of training privately on the HDR2496 and D8B so I could run the studios and teach students at the college.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:05 pm

I abandoned the AW2400 offered due to a fault indicated that isn't fixable without an entire new board, so still hunting. I don't know why, but today just feels like one of those days I wish I didn't wake up to. Getting tired, worn out, this body isn't exactly behaving itself so to speak, guess the treatments aren't working anymore. ah well, there's tomorrow.
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