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Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:50 pm
by The Elf
This one has got me thinking...

I like the idea and I like the price of the H3-VR. I like the fact that it can record to its own SD card, but...

I would like to record the raw audio to my mixer and do all the fancy decoding later - it has to be recorded in sync with the other audio the mixer is capturing.

Can it be done?

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:10 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Sounds like it possibly might be. From Zoom's website: "the H3-VR’s audio interface mode turns it into a USB 360 mic for your computer". You'd have to have something like the Mac's aggregate device so as to be able to use it alongside your normal audio interface, though.

CC

Edit: I was right. From the manual: In 4 ch Ambisonics mode input signals 1–4 are sent as converted tracks 1–4 in this 4-in/2-out connection mode for Windows/Mac. To use with Windows, download the driver from the ZOOM website (http://www.zoom.co.jp). The bus power of the connected device will be used.

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:23 pm
by Mike Stranks
Hi Elf!

I posted in the NT-SF1 thread a couple of days ago that some user reviews are now finding their way online. One guy who clearly knows about things audio expressed his disappointment with the quality of the captured sound... 'like cheap Chinese SDCs' was his verdict.

Hugh is due to be reviewing the Zoom; might be best to await his opinion...

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:34 pm
by The Elf
Thanks, guys. This is really just for live ambience/audience reaction, so sound quality is not so critical for my purpose, but recording to a separate computer is a non-starter. It HAS to feed to the mixer that is recording the rest of the mix - I've found that the faff of getting separate recordings sufficiently synced is a hassle and overhead I'm not happy to continue.

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:14 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Sorry, didn't notice the mixer bit. In that case I think you're out of luck. The only analogue outs it has are both stereo.

CC

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:54 pm
by ManFromGlass
aggregate device on a Mac has always been unreliable for me. I gave up on it after hours of researching a solution and comments from other composers. Your mileage may vary.

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am
by Mike Stranks
And just to throw another spanner in the works - sorry Elf - for the ambisoniscs to decode properly you'd have to be sure that all the mixer gains were at precisely the same level. Not sure that the Livetrak can give you that precision as there won't be a gain-gaining feature like there is on the better location multitrack recorders.

:(

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:12 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Mike Stranks wrote:Hugh is due to be reviewing the Zoom; might be best to await his opinion...

I'd had an email conversation with Chris Korff about reviewing this before Xmas, but for a variety of reasons I gather it has actually gone to a different reviewer and is currently in progress...

H

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:20 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Thanks for the update

CC

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:44 pm
by Mike Stranks
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:Hugh is due to be reviewing the Zoom; might be best to await his opinion...

I'd had an email conversation with Chris Korff about reviewing this before Xmas, but for a variety of reasons I gather it has actually gone to a different reviewer and is currently in progress...

H

Hmmm... not all reviewers are the same. Let's hope we get a technical review of actual S/N ratios and noise floors etc. That's what most of us who've commented here are interested in. Perhaps if the 'other' reviewer is not equipped to do such tests it could be sent on to Hugh for a technical analysis.

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:46 pm
by Wonks
Or at least an inset technical review piece.

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:19 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'd had an email conversation with Chris Korff about reviewing this before Xmas, but for a variety of reasons I gather it has actually gone to a different reviewer and is currently in progress...

Did anything come of this?

CC

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:54 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Anything at all?

CC

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:28 pm
by The Korff
It's on my list of things to chase up! Will report back soon...

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:38 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Thanks.

CC

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:41 am
by Kewl
There's a new Facebook users' group for the H3-VR: https://www.facebook.com/groups/902899420069659/

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:35 am
by Mike Stranks
Over in Musicians' Lounge in the thread on the Kent SoSMeet you'll discover that CC has bought one.

He gives first impressions and has uploaded some audio. The audio was better than I'd been expecting after reading some of the reviews.

It's definitely up there with the likes of the Zoom H4n and H5 et al. Probably not in the same class as the F4/8 but then look at the price! Very worth considering methinks. :)

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:25 pm
by Kewl
Mike Stranks wrote:Very worth considering methinks. :)

On sale until the 26th of August (at least in the US and Canada, 28% off).

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:42 pm
by The Elf
Kewl wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:Very worth considering methinks. :)
On sale until the 26th of August (at least in the US and Canada, 28% off).
Where from?

Re: Zoom H3-VR

PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:22 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Cheapest place to get one from I found in the UK was Amazon at £291.

I lead a session in Bradford on Avon and I'm intending to take the H3-VR to that for a test run next Monday since recording sessions and the like is my main purpose for the thing - if it works out then listening to a session with the H3-VR located in the middle in binaural could be rather cool. Either way I'll put up some audio in due course. So far I'd agree with Mike's summary. It's not going to match my NT-SF1/UAD Apollo combination anywhere close but it's a sixth of the price and for recording sessions and the like for podcasts and similar it should be eminently suitable and has the wonderful advantage of being quite discreet in use. The sound quality is definitely not a disaster area.

CC

Edited to add:

Kewl wrote:There's a new Facebook users' group for the H3-VR: https://www.facebook.com/groups/902899420069659/

Well I've asked to join. We shall see what we shall see.