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Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:29 pm
by James Perrett
And whenever I've soundchecked as a drummer no-one has ever asked me to hit the floor tom first.

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:35 pm
by Wonks
James Perrett wrote:And whenever I've soundchecked as a drummer no-one has ever asked me to hit the floor tom first.
Normally the bass player to get them to shut up.

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:58 pm
by The Korff
Sam Spoons wrote:FWIW I start with drums on Ch1 (kick, snare, hats, toms low to high, overheads) then Bass, Electric Guitar/s, Acoustic Guitars, Keys, Brass (when present) and Vocals (L-R across the stage then any behind). If I have the channels I'll leave a spare between the backline and Vox. Any media players usually at the far right (Ch 15-16)

Exactly the same! I can't remember why, but I've always done it that way. (And if I haven't got enough channels to leave a gap to keep the vocals separate, I'll swap some of the channel and bus fader caps around so that the vocals are a different colour to the rest of them.)

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:17 pm
by The Elf
Dave B wrote:For recording, I always have drums panned as per the drummer. I've discussed it before with another engineer and I always see a recording as being from the band's perspective.
If I was mixing drums live I'd pan the kit from audience perspective. Generally I don't do live mixes!

In the studio I invariably choose dummer's perspective. For a right-handed kit the 'story' of a tom roll reading from left to right just feels 'right'.

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:54 pm
by blinddrew
apart from you all being wrong about the drum thing... ;) I do have a question on the live mixing approach.
I generally put lead vocals on 1 as I find that it's generally the thing I have to work most during a gig, and frequently it's the channel most prone to generating howlround. Having it always on 1 makes it quicker for me to find in a hurry (singer sticking his mic into the bell of the saxophone during a solo for example!) rather than having it *somewhere* over on the other side of the desk.
Is this just not a problem other people have or am I just demonstrating my lack of chops? (or both of the above).

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:05 pm
by Wonks
I'm normally with you, Drew. vocals first.

Though I'm sure if doing this professionally at large stage level, I'm sure it helps to have a standardised way of laying things out, so if mixing person A has to leave the desk, mixing person B can step in and immediately know where the faders should be. And on a big live desk, (say 32-48 channels plus sub-busses), with you sat in the middle of the desk, having the most feedback-prone mics channel on the far left and out of direct view isn't the best way to arrange things. Obviously Far less of an issue with an 8-16 channel compact desk don at the Dog and Duck.

But if you are used to the big desks, then you'll use the same methodology on the smaller desks, and you'll pass that methodology on to others.

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:16 pm
by blinddrew
Ah, yes, that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks Wonks :)

Re: Track/Channel layout for recording, mixing and live?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:57 pm
by Sam Spoons
When I've used bigger 'split' desks (up to a 40 channel ML3000) I always liked to have the vocals as the first channels to the right of the master section, if not I like them in the middle close to the master section. These days, with digital, I'll have them near the middle/right but with the LCD scribble strips colour coded.

I've never thought of swapping fader caps, brilliant idea :clap: , though I probably would have lost at least one in the process :headbang: I just used to use coloured LX tape to draw the eye and label the vox channels.