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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Wonks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:22 am

NT1B would have been a most suitable name, differentiating it from both the original NT1 and the NT1A, and also indicating the black finish.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:24 am

Lewitt 240...

I was considering until I heard a back-to-back with an AT2035... to my ears quite thin in the bottom-end compared to the AT2035. It fell out of the running at that point.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Bob Bickerton » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:27 am

Weren’t there three iterations of NT1? I had a couple of the first generation (creamy enamel finish) and they were good entry level mics. Then the silver grey one came along with a more extended high end, which I didn’t like. Now there’s the black model with a more neutral response which I haven’t tried.

Had a couple of NT1000s, but moved them on.

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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:36 am

Bob Bickerton wrote:Weren’t there three iterations of NT1? I had a couple of the first generation (creamy enamel finish) and they were good entry level mics. Then the silver grey one came along with a more extended high end, which I didn’t like. Now there’s the black model with a more neutral response which I haven’t tried.

Had a couple of NT1000s, but moved them on.

Bob

You're describing NT1, NT1A, NT1 (new black) Bob. Different mics with (almost) the same number!

I think Rode's intention with the new black NT1 might have been to reclaim the ground once occupied by the original NT1 which caused quite a stir when it first appeared... a genuinely good mic which undercut what was then on the market and decent by a considerable degree.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Wonks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:51 am

It appears there were three iterations of the first NT1.

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I think the tallest one was the last version, as I remember mine having the black band.

Then came the NT1A, then the new NT1.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Ariosto » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:23 pm

I do agree that the NT1A is not good on higher - usually female - voices. It seems OK on male voices, at least it is OK on mine, but extremely sibilant on my wife's voice. I don't really use it these days.

I can't understand why mic manufacturers tend to move the mic's response up by several dB from about 3-5K or higher - as this often makes them rather harsh on anything that produces higher sounds, and effects female voices, violins, piano, and you name it!

Ribbons and mic's that keep a flat response seem to produce much better results in my opinion.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:59 pm

Ariosto wrote:I can't understand why mic manufacturers tend to move the mic's response up by several dB from about 3-5K or higher...

Louder and brighter always wins in A/B shootouts... :lol:

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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Ariosto » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:16 pm

I did actually hear a shootout on line at Anderton's this morning between a Lewitt 440 Pure - a Sontronics STC-3X - a Neumann ? (102?) - an Aston (Spirit?). The Lewitt was considered too sibilant and I definitely agreed, and the Neumann OK but nothing special at twice the price, but the Sontronics was considered the best, which I really liked, as it seemed so smooth on a female voice. The Aston was good as well. Both British mic's.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Tim Gillett » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:28 pm

Ariosto wrote:...

I can't understand why mic manufacturers tend to move the mic's response up by several dB from about 3-5K or higher - as this often makes them rather harsh on anything that produces higher sounds, and effects female voices, violins, piano, and you name it!...
It would be interesting to hear the perspective of a mic designer on this. I've noticed the responses of the omni and the cardioid versions of mics from the same family tend to be somewhat different. Maybe part of this is the need to make tradeoffs in the cardioid mic for an acceptable polar response.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby The Elf » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:09 pm

They're a bit hen's teeth-ish, but if you can ever grab an MXL V6 then do it - it's pretty much the second mic to my U87 these days.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby voiceoverchap » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:38 pm

It's a while since I used it but I had to record some radio voiceovers using an AKG Perception 220 for a while...and I was pretty pleased with the results considering. A sold microphone and within your budget.
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby John Willett » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:57 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:I'm in the market for a classy sounding LDC - cardioid only.

Requirements:

Self-noise < 16dB
No presence peak, or only the most gentle thereof (eg NOT an NT1A!)
Max price £175

To be used for (almost exclusively) spoken voice, but a variety of male and female voices.

Discuss... (no squabbling please)

Sontronics STC-2 ?

I have always been impressed by what Sontronics can do for the price - and British design. :thumbup:
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Wonks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:02 pm

John Willett wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:I'm in the market for a classy sounding LDC - cardioid only.

Requirements:

Self-noise < 16dB
No presence peak, or only the most gentle thereof (eg NOT an NT1A!)
Max price £175

To be used for (almost exclusively) spoken voice, but a variety of male and female voices.

Discuss... (no squabbling please)

Sontronics STC-2 ?

I have always been impressed by what Sontronics can do for the price - and British design. :thumbup:

Self-noise is 18dB-A. So not less than 16dB. Do pay attention at the back, and Willet, see me after class! :D
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby John Willett » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:06 pm

Wonks wrote:
John Willett wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:I'm in the market for a classy sounding LDC - cardioid only.

Requirements:

Self-noise < 16dB
No presence peak, or only the most gentle thereof (eg NOT an NT1A!)
Max price £175

To be used for (almost exclusively) spoken voice, but a variety of male and female voices.

Discuss... (no squabbling please)

Sontronics STC-2 ?

I have always been impressed by what Sontronics can do for the price - and British design. :thumbup:

Self-noise is 18dB-A. So not less than 16dB. Do pay attention at the back, and Willet, see me after class! :D

In my defence, it was very small writing in light blue and it's easy to confuse an 8 for a 6 - and it *does* fit the bill in all other ways. ;)
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:21 pm

Stand-easy chaps...

I've done the deal...

Rode NT1000

(Thanks for all suggestions.)
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:44 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:And if it hadn't been for the offer made on the NT1000, I might very well have gone for a Neat 'King Bee'. Currently being heavily discounted, ticks all my boxes, good reviews and the colour would have been a talking point!

This inspired me to have a shufty at their website. And got thoroughly confused. Not by the mics, but by whether they're part of Gibson or whether they even exist or not any more, and who is Stray Electrons where all the Neat people (formerly Blue people) seem to have ended up. Who makes the mics now? Or are they being discounted to get rid of old stock?

All very puzzling.

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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Wonks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:56 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:Stand-easy chaps...

I've done the deal...

Rode NT1000

(Thanks for all suggestions.)

Are you sure you haven't done a John Willett with the small writing and confused NT1000 witn C1000? :D
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:14 pm

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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mixedup » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:48 am

The Lewitt LCT 440 ticks most of those boxes... A few quid over budget (£205 in Andertons currently — 'preorder' with next delivery due tomorrow) but it's less than the MK4. A bit of a boost at the top end, but not a particularly bumpy plot — should be easily tamed with a minimum of EQ if problematic. I've not userd this one, but I've been impressed with the Lewitt mics I *have* used...
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Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

Postby Mixedup » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:49 am

Mike Stranks wrote:Stand-easy chaps...

I've done the deal...

Rode NT1000

(Thanks for all suggestions.)

D'oh. Missed that :headbang:
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