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I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:26 pm
by Mike Stranks
I'm in the market for a classy sounding LDC - cardioid only.

Requirements:

Self-noise < 16dB
No presence peak, or only the most gentle thereof (eg NOT an NT1A!)
Max price £175

To be used for (almost exclusively) spoken voice, but a variety of male and female voices.

Discuss... (no squabbling please)

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:36 pm
by Bob Bickerton
Haven’t tried it, but didn’t one of the Rode NT1 models have a more neutral response?

Then there’s the NT3 which some people around here really quite like ;)

The Sennheiser MK4 is often not mentioned. It’s really rather good value, but does have a high end lift.

Bob

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:37 pm
by ConcertinaChap
I was happily thinking TLM 193 but then I saw the maximum price ...

You're welcome to borrow my TLM 193 if you want, Mike.

CC

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:44 pm
by Bob Bickerton
Yes, my first thought too. Maybe Mike could start by buying a grill off a TLM193 ;)

Bob

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:49 pm
by jimjazzdad
Based on your price point, what about the Aston Origin? Slightly noisier at 18 dB but reasonably sensitive, so it shouldn't be a problem. Gentle bump up to about +4 dB at 10K. Can't say as I have tried one yet but SOS gave a favourable review and, since they are made in the UK, I would think you should be able to try before you buy?

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:19 pm
by Random Guitarist
I could sell you an immaculate rode nt1000 for a very fair price ;)

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:35 pm
by ef37a
http://www.sontronics.com/stc2.htm

I have one and have been very happy with it. They are known to be quite neutral unlike most LDCs. Yes, noise is a little higher than requested but that should be set against the high sensitivity of -32dB/Pa 20mV.

Mine is fine in sllver but then they bought out that uber cool black jobby!

Dave.

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:44 pm
by blinddrew
As a left field option, how about one of these: https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... KqEALw_wcB
I use it for all of my vocal stuff. It's a little noisy at 17dB and currently a little over budget, but it's frequently on at £180.
You'd be welcome to borrow it and see but if I recall we're not really in the same part of the country.
I'm guessing a ribbon would be out of the question?

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:05 pm
by Mike Stranks
blinddrew wrote:As a left field option, how about one of these: https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... KqEALw_wcB
I use it for all of my vocal stuff. It's a little noisy at 17dB and currently a little over budget, but it's frequently on at £180.
You'd be welcome to borrow it and see but if I recall we're not really in the same part of the country.
I'm guessing a ribbon would be out of the question?

Thanks for the offer, but I don't want to go 'valve/tube'... and I already have a ribbon which I use for the occasional dark brown voice and strings...

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:09 pm
by Mike Stranks
Bob Bickerton wrote:Haven’t tried it, but didn’t one of the Rode NT1 models have a more neutral response?

Then there’s the NT3 which some people around here really quite like ;)

The Sennheiser MK4 is often not mentioned. It’s really rather good value, but does have a high end lift.

Bob

You know how to hurt a man... Had an NT1 and much regret selling it. :headbang: And I'm stocked with NT3 type mics... yes, as you know, had a pair of those too. Really looking for a LDC format mic.

I heard a MK4 demoed the other day. Really liked it, but just out of reach...

I have a few in mind, but just wondering what else may be suggested... Thanks

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:17 pm
by blinddrew
Couple of things that I'd look at if I were considering it:
https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... phone/1UYN
https://www.andertons.co.uk/lewitt/lct- ... shockmount
Both just above your 16dB requirement.
Pushing the budget a bit, this one might be worth a look?
https://www.andertons.co.uk/lewitt/lewi ... microphone

I know the Elf likes some of the MXL range but I can't remember which ones he rates, I recall there being a sub-set he's less enamoured of.

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:21 pm
by Eddy Deegan
Not wishing to derail a good thread but if nobody minds a brief diversion I'm going to put myself in the line of fire here because I know almost nothing about microphones, nor do I do any acoustic recording to speak of.

I have a Rode NT1000 - on the very rare occasions I've used it (a bit of my own vocal work to weave into synthesized soundscapes mainly), it sounds a whole lot better than my SM57 (which I know nothing about either, other than it can take a lot of punishment - it's left over from my gigging days).

What, if anything (I'm sure there must be something) is wrong or otherwise lacking compared to better devices, with the NT1000? The whole microphone thing is a mystery to me, but I do find reading discussions about them interesting for some reason :blush:

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:25 pm
by Wonks
Well, the current NT1seems to fit the bill with very low noise (4.5dB-A) and a basically flat frequency response. It is 14 quid over budget - but does come with the Rycoye mount and popshield for £189 (Andertons).

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:38 pm
by Wonks
blinddrew wrote:Couple of things that I'd look at if I were considering it:
https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-an ... phone/1UYN
https://www.andertons.co.uk/lewitt/lct- ... shockmount
Both just above your 16dB requirement.
Pushing the budget a bit, this one might be worth a look?
https://www.andertons.co.uk/lewitt/lewi ... microphone

Blue Spark SL has quite a high presence/treble boost (from their graph 8 to 10dB between 5kHz and 15kHz). But close to noise at 16.4A.

Lewitt 240 is 3dB above noise at 19dB-A Again has a highish presence/treble boost (+6.7dB @ 8kHz).

Lewitt 440 is more like it at 7dB-A noise and a gentler presence boost of 3-4dB from 4kHz to 15kHz (ish).

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 pm
by Wonks
I did have a look at some of the MXLs. The Elf doesn't like the 9xx range, but the 7x range all seem to be on the noisy side for you, Mike.

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:28 am
by Ramirez
I'm quite intrigued by the 'new' NT1 as well (also not being a fan ov the overly bright NT1A)

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:35 am
by Tim Gillett
For cardioid LDC's in that range we're spoiled for choice.

Going used opens up a lot more possibilities. The Rode Nt2a seems basically a copy of the U87. The dual diaphragms give reduced proximity effect (good for vocals/voiceovers), plus the versatility of 3 patterns.

I've not seen an LDC with an upper response as flat as an SDC. Not even the mighty U87.
Very low self noise rather than strictly flat response is the strength of LDC's.

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:09 am
by Mike Stranks
Thanks one and all.

Due to the true community aspect of this forum I've come to a mutually satisfactory agreement with a fellow forumite... a Rode NT1000 will be changing hands in due course.

As the NT1 has been mentioned a few times, including 'wonder what it's like?' type musings... I've previously owned an NT1 and have used an NT1A a few times. Chalk and cheese...

The NT1 is actually quite a classy mic with some heft to the bottom end without it being overblown. The mids and uppers are very well-behaved too. I much regret being too quick to dispose of it when I didn't have a use for it at that point in time. I've always thought the NT1A over-bright and 'difficult' with sibilant or light voices. (A friend who has a good ear, but zero knowledge of things audio bought one for a specific voice-over project, but subsequently commented to me that it was 'very spitty'. This was confirmed when I did the final polishing for him... various EQ settings and plug-ins were required to get a smoother sound reflecting his voice.)

And if it hadn't been for the offer made on the NT1000, I might very well have gone for a Neat 'King Bee'. Currently being heavily discounted, ticks all my boxes, good reviews and the colour would have been a talking point!

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:12 am
by Wonks
When you say 'NT1', do you mean an original grey bodied one, or the new black-bodied NT1 (why on earth didn't they give it a different name?).

Re: I'll probably regret this, but... (mic recommendation)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:15 am
by Mike Stranks
Ah yes. Should have been more specific...

I mean the black NT1... introduced c. 5 years ago... the one that it appears that you can currently only buy with the shockmount and popscreen - which, incidentally, are both good.