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Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:02 am
by Deleted User
How to figure out where a sound is coming from?

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:26 am
by zenguitar
You use your ears. It really is that simple.

You are asking questions that are meaningless without context. And that means that you are likely to be regarded as a troll. If you are serious, start offering us a context.

Andy :beamup:

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:49 am
by ConcertinaChap
We do seem to be getting a lot of this sort of stuff recently. I suspect the mods have been so successful at blocking the usual routes for spam and nonsense that the black hats are casting around for alternative vectors.

CC

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:35 am
by Guest
bushlion890 wrote:How to figure out where a sound is coming from?

Sounds don't exist as such, they're only vibrations - if they concern you live in a vacuum.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:51 am
by Kwackman
I vote troll.
He/she/it won't respond to comments on the other threads he/she/it created.

e.g.
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 69#p600269

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:53 am
by ef37a
ConcertinaChap wrote:We do seem to be getting a lot of this sort of stuff recently. I suspect the mods have been so successful at blocking the usual routes for spam and nonsense that the black hats are casting around for alternative vectors.

CC
I had notice that as well CC. Possibly a consequence of the fairly recent addition that welcomes all comers? I don't want to harp but maybe a "newb" section would have been better? At least you would have confined most of the loonies and trolls in there?

Perhaps an ammendment to the welcome? "Posts should be specific and give reasons for the enquiry" Or words to that effect. Maybe mods etc are just TOO polite? Let the onus of validity rest with the new poster?

Dave.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:05 am
by Mike Stranks
Some of you know that I spent a significant amount of time seeking to help 'music-master' aka 'elvis is not dead' - both on-forum and via several PMs.

I don't think Dave's idea would have 'caught' him. He was just the right side of credible and went to some lengths to spin his tale. He actually did buy that Realistic Mixer - I've seen the EBay txn - and also knew enough to keep feeding us info to keep the merry dance active. And unlike the other place there is a genuine desire to help people here. Whereas over there trollers are told to 'go way' ;) fairly smartly, here many people do battle-on and seek to be as helpful as possible.

He has a history of such trolling - not always on sound-related stuff. He wasted everybody's time for a while on a classical music forum. He was called-out comparatively quickly there as he over-egged his pudding.

There is a fine line and it's very difficult for the Mods to discern the difference between the genuinely bewildered and the mischief-makers. The Mods have my sympathy. Andy, in particular, spends a huge amount of time trying to winkle-out the spammers and time-wasters.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:08 am
by Kwackman
Mike Stranks wrote: The Mods have my sympathy.
+ 1 :thumbup:

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:25 am
by Hugh Robjohns
Hmmm... started three different threads, all on the same core topic but without any further information or any replies to other members' responses. Let's be generous and give one final chance for something more constructive...

H

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:05 pm
by jimjazzdad
I think most of the regulars here are far too nice and patient ;)
There is another thread just started, by someone who just joined, about trying to isolate and record a rattling noise in a diesel truck. Included is a lengthy explanation. No less than five of you very nice people took the time to write replies. Really? That OP had my spydy-senses tingling from the start. Here's my two cents (tuppence for some of you): if it isn't about recording gear and techniques for the capture of music, nature, or sound effects...chuck it. Possibly it would make the Mods job easier if there were a "Flag this post" button that we could hit when we spot BS? If a number of the regulars hit this, it would be a simple matter to chuck out these trolls and their sock puppets.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:18 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
jimjazzdad wrote:I think most of the regulars here are far too nice and patient ;)

... and that's what makes this such a nice, friendly and helpful place, in contrast to some of the alternative forums. :D Long may it remain that way.

There is another thread just started, by someone who just joined, about trying to isolate and record a rattling noise in a diesel truck.

Yes... not core SOS subject material, obviously, but the SOS site scores so highly in the search engines that anyone seeking answers to pretty much any sound-related question generally gets directed here... And there's such a wide range of experience, and such friendly goodwill, within the regulars here that most questions can and are answered in good faith. That has always been the ethos of SOS, and I'd be loathe to lose it for the sake of the occasional misplaced posting.

Possibly it would make the Mods job easier if there were a "Flag this post" button that we could hit when we spot BS?

There already is. At the top of each and every post is a button with an exclamation mark in a circle. Click on that to report a suspect message to the mod team.

Also, it's worth being aware that newly registered members have their first three posts manually authorised by a member of the mod team before they appear for general viewing.

So, in the case of the truck rattle poster, it was a conscious decision to afford that chap the benefit of the doubt -- which is our general policy.

Ordinary forum members don't get to see the numerous very obviously evil and malicious spam posters that we catch and remove through the private auditing system every day...

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:38 pm
by ManFromGlass
this is what happens when posting before fully awake - poorly thought out response even for me who is an expert at inserting foot into mouth. And no delete post button!
Perhaps save as draft won’t post this.

:oops:

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:48 pm
by ef37a
Hugh is right, SOS forum is far too useful and valuable to be limited, especially by evil doers!

There is always the Lounge to put/shunt off the wall questions to. My query today about lip sync has very little to do with "audio recording" but I was just nosey!

AND of course got swift and expert answers!!

Dave.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:56 pm
by Sam Spoons
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
jimjazzdad wrote:I think most of the regulars here are far too nice and patient ;)

... and that's what makes this such a nice, friendly and helpful place, in contrast to some of the alternative forums. :D Long may it remain that way.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I would rather spend/waste some time answering a troll's posts than turn away a genuine noob.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:16 pm
by blinddrew
Sam Spoons wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
jimjazzdad wrote:I think most of the regulars here are far too nice and patient ;)

... and that's what makes this such a nice, friendly and helpful place, in contrast to some of the alternative forums. :D Long may it remain that way.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I would rather spend/waste some time answering a troll's posts than turn away a genuine noob.
And when I think of some of my early* posts / questions this is a fact I remain permanently grateful for. :D
The knowledge and experience that is freely shared on this forum is a phenomenal asset that a lot of our musical lives would be worse for if it wasn't available. :thumbup:


* and not so early! ;)

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:05 pm
by Luke W
Sam Spoons wrote:I would rather spend/waste some time answering a troll's posts than turn away a genuine noob.

A really good attitude. :thumbup:

This is one of the only forums I can think of where newcomers/beginners aren't immediately shot down and/or made to feel stupid by a worryingly large amount of members. It's a shame that some people use that as a way to waste the time of genuinely helpful people, but it seems fairly rare.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:15 pm
by The Elf
When a poster knows how to use an apostrophe, yet fails to appreciate the difference between 'here' and 'hear', my troll detector begins twitching... ;)

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:53 pm
by Watchmaker
The Elf wrote:When a poster knows how to use an apostrophe, yet fails to appreciate the difference between 'here' and 'hear', my troll detector begins twitching... ;)

here here!

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:55 pm
by TNGator
Dang...he asked where sound is coming from. I was going to ask where does it go and what time will it be back. I dont think I'll ask now. I might just Google it.

Re: Sound Location

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:21 pm
by ef37a
The Elf wrote:When a poster knows how to use an apostrophe, yet fails to appreciate the difference between 'here' and 'hear', my troll detector begins twitching... ;)

Ooo! I'd better be careful then! I am forever typing vlave instead of valve. Many people have trouble with "quite" sounds!

Been worse in the last few years and I suppose going up in type size* would help but I have to do enough bloody scrolling as it is!

*Recently found out we should not call them "fonts".

Dvae.