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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 am

EDITED TO ADD: Sorry -- catching up and have ended up posting independently almost exactly the same as forumuser840717... great minds and all that...

Arpangel wrote:Sony Oxford? The BBC bought a lot of those...

No, they really didn't... I'm not sure anyone did buy any, actually! A few studios were given one to play with for a while, but I'm not sure if anyone actually parted money for one, and it was, sadly, a commercial failure.

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I remember seeing one for the first time in the BBC control room of the Wigmore Hall, we used it to rest our home-made mixer on! We could have used it if we had wanted, but it was way too daunting, if it was a conventional desk, say, a Neve or some other brilliant analogue desk we definitly would have used it, and it would have been instantly familiar.

Are you thinking of the Sony DMX-R100?

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That was a really lovely little desk, and surprisingly popular with classic recording types (including the BBC).

But......big analogue desks are redundant these days...

Broadly true... and yes, compact digital desks can offer many more facilities in a much smaller space. And yet I find I enjoy using my Calrec Minimix2 far more than my Yamaha DM1000! ;)
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Arpangel » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:55 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:EDITED TO ADD: Sorry -- catching up and have ended up posting independently almost exactly the same as forumuser840717... great minds and all that...

Arpangel wrote:Sony Oxford? The BBC bought a lot of those...

No, they really didn't... I'm not sure anyone did buy any, actually! A few studios were given one to play with for a while, but I'm not sure if anyone actually parted money for one, and it was, sadly, a commercial failure.

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I remember seeing one for the first time in the BBC control room of the Wigmore Hall, we used it to rest our home-made mixer on! We could have used it if we had wanted, but it was way too daunting, if it was a conventional desk, say, a Neve or some other brilliant analogue desk we definitly would have used it, and it would have been instantly familiar.

Are you thinking of the Sony DMX-R100?

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That was a really lovely little desk, and surprisingly popular with classic recording types (including the BBC).

But......big analogue desks are redundant these days...

Broadly true... and yes, compact digital desks can offer many more facilities in a much smaller space. And yet I find I enjoy using my Calrec Minimix2 far more than my Yamaha DM1000! ;)

I was alaways a fan of Audio Developments mixers, I've never owned one, but they look fabulous! I remember drooling over them in Studio Sound magazine.
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Urthlupe » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:17 am

Arpangel wrote:I was always a fan of Audio Developments mixers, I've never owned one, but they look fabulous! I remember drooling over them in Studio Sound magazine.

Tom (Cryan - Audio Developments) is still in business around the corner.......

If you’re still into the idea drop me PM and I’ll put you in touch :bouncy:

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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Arpangel » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:22 pm

Urthlupe wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I was always a fan of Audio Developments mixers, I've never owned one, but they look fabulous! I remember drooling over them in Studio Sound magazine.

Tom (Cryan - Audio Developments) is still in business around the corner.......

If you’re still into the idea drop me PM and I’ll put you in touch :bouncy:

Kindest

Loopy

Thanks Hugh, but I'm guessing they'll still be pretty expensive, and given my recent "voyage to the dark side" via digital desks I may not have a use for something like that anymore.
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:42 pm

Arpangel wrote:Thanks Hugh...

it was Loopy offering the introductions!

I'm guessing they'll still be pretty expensive...

Oh yes! Properly engineered, bomb-proof analogue mixers designed for decades of reliable use in harsh professional conditions. Think several grand for eight channels! Even a second-hand AD149 would set you back £3k or more and a new one is closer to £10k.
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Urthlupe » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:40 am

Oooooo, to be mistaken for Robjohns......

....and without having to dress up......

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Arpy, you made my day baby..... xxxxxxxx

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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:37 am

Arpangel wrote:... I remember seeing one for the first time in the BBC control room of the Wigmore Hall, we used it to rest our home-made mixer on!

Just because I am this nerdy... I've checked and it was a Sony DMX-R100 console in the Wigmore Hall, years back, but it is currently a Digico SD9.

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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Arpangel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:43 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Arpangel wrote:... I remember seeing one for the first time in the BBC control room of the Wigmore Hall, we used it to rest our home-made mixer on!

Just because I am this nerdy... I've checked and it was a Sony DMX-R100 console in the Wigmore Hall, years back, but it is currently a Digico SD9.

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It was about 4 years ago I was in that room, they had the Sony then.
Digico???? Blimey, do the Beeb normally go for this type of desk for live broadcast/recording?
I can remember the gear in that room, we were recording a tenor and string quartet, they had K+H 0300 monitors, Nagra digital recorders, a Lexicon 480, and an old HH power amp for talk back. Upstairs was another studio with a lot more stuff, I think that was run by an in-house engineer.
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby OneWorld » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:14 pm

Luke W wrote:Another vote for interface with no mixer here, as others have mentioned with the software that comes with the likes of RME/UA etc, routing is just as versatile as having a mixer (if not more so) and the space saved is always a welcome bonus. Sam's point about cost of I/O count is a good one though.

Control surfaces are hit and miss for me, the integration has to be really tight or it just doesn't seem worth it. With live work I still like as many faders/controls to hand as is practical, but for the studio I'm generally happy with far less.

I agree. I have a control surface and in fact was an evangelist for them. I slaved over Cubase setting up custom templates, so that each session was predictable - eg fader 1 always the lead vox, fader 2 always, right through the various VSTs, group faders etc it was a lot of faffing about but got it right. Then I updated to Cubase 10 and made sure my Win10 was bang up to date - and that's trashed everything, in fact the control surface has been turned off, it won't work properly, sometimes recalls all the settings, sometimes doesn't, sometimes Cubase 'sees' the controller, next session it doesn't, sometimes it works and then drops off the radar half way through a session, so there's now a £450 dust magnet now
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Re: Digital mixer beckons...

Postby Arpangel » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:23 pm

OneWorld wrote:
Luke W wrote:Another vote for interface with no mixer here, as others have mentioned with the software that comes with the likes of RME/UA etc, routing is just as versatile as having a mixer (if not more so) and the space saved is always a welcome bonus. Sam's point about cost of I/O count is a good one though.

Control surfaces are hit and miss for me, the integration has to be really tight or it just doesn't seem worth it. With live work I still like as many faders/controls to hand as is practical, but for the studio I'm generally happy with far less.

I agree. I have a control surface and in fact was an evangelist for them. I slaved over Cubase setting up custom templates, so that each session was predictable - eg fader 1 always the lead vox, fader 2 always, right through the various VSTs, group faders etc it was a lot of faffing about but got it right. Then I updated to Cubase 10 and made sure my Win10 was bang up to date - and that's trashed everything, in fact the control surface has been turned off, it won't work properly, sometimes recalls all the settings, sometimes doesn't, sometimes Cubase 'sees' the controller, next session it doesn't, sometimes it works and then drops off the radar half way through a session, so there's now a £450 dust magnet now

That's bad, but that's computers for you, I'm almost giving up on them, but for editing and compiling, I'm not going back to razor blades and tape, that's a step too far.
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