SOUND ON SOUND

[blinddrew]

But... sobering thought... is that how we might sometimes come across to the newbie just starting the journey?

I suspect so!
Audio engineering seems, to me, to be a really interesting intersection between a number of skills and backgrounds.
On one hand you have the people who are coming at it from a completely musical aspect and may have little maths and no technical knowledge (either computing or engineering) - and quite possibly no interest either.
At the other end you have people who are engineers or programmers first, and music technology just happens to be the area where they've ended up.
I suspect most of us on here fit somewhere between those two extremes, but personally I'm finding it to be an amazing place where my creative side (such as it is) can meet my technical side (ditto!) and I can really get stuck in with my whole brain.

Which obviously leaves no cranial capacity left to write coherent sentences but I hope you get my drift!

[Arpangel]

I defy you all to find an artistic endeavour that is possible without technology?Dave.

Unaccompanied singing?

Unless you take into account that incredibly complex machine, the human being, powering those incredibly complex vocal chords!

[Dr Huge Longjohns]

:thumbup: It's car-crash entertainment

I think it should be classified as an illegal drug, once you start watching you can't stop! Ditto the vids about Paul McCartney is dead...it's like going down the rabbit hole with Alice.

[Sam Spoons]

You mean the girl next door?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qnRS36EgE

[Folderol]

[...it's like going down the rabbit hole with Alice.

Careful! That's probably a criminal offense

[MOF]

Audio engineering seems, to me, to be a really interesting intersection between a number of skills and backgrounds.

And then you get seduced by the related technologies of video and dmx lighting to get your music out in visual form and web development to publicise your music/video and gigs.

[ManFromGlass]

That’s all part of music now!
Funny how thoughts on teaching came up. I’ve wrestling with the idea that having put in a few years at all this I have acquired skills and a bit of wisdom. I sometimes feel I have a responsibility to pass some of this on to others be they future generations or not.
Isn’t the learning of music better as a mentor situation? I can see the classroom useful for some bits, but as I was mostly mentored by others I see the value of it.

I’m not trying to be profound here but in a way aren’t we all The Manual for those who may not know the bits we know? Then what is our responsibility?

[Dr Huge Longjohns]

You mean the girl next door?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qnRS36EgE

No, the one that's ten feet tall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejKUJu9xct4

[CS70]

That’s all part of music now!
Funny how thoughts on teaching came up. I’ve wrestling with the idea that having put in a few years at all this I have acquired skills and a bit of wisdom. I sometimes feel I have a responsibility to pass some of this on to others be they future generations or not.
Isn’t the learning of music better as a mentor situation? I can see the classroom useful for some bits, but as I was mostly mentored by others I see the value of it.

I’m not trying to be profound here but in a way aren’t we all The Manual for those who may not know the bits we know? Then what is our responsibility?

We probably are the Desmond!

[ef37a]

But... sobering thought... is that how we might sometimes come across to the newbie just starting the journey?

I suspect so!
Audio engineering seems, to me, to be a really interesting intersection between a number of skills and backgrounds.
On one hand you have the people who are coming at it from a completely musical aspect and may have little maths and no technical knowledge (either computing or engineering) - and quite possibly no interest either.
At the other end you have people who are engineers or programmers first, and music technology just happens to be the area where they've ended up.
I suspect most of us on here fit somewhere between those two extremes, but personally I'm finding it to be an amazing place where my creative side (such as it is) can meet my technical side (ditto!) and I can really get stuck in with my whole brain.

Which obviously leaves no cranial capacity left to write coherent sentences but I hope you get my drift!

Well yes Drew but. Way back in the day the engineering and the musical "art" were very distinct. Tape machines especially needed constant care and of course were too noisy to be used in the same room as the instrumentalists. Very much "us and them" where the recording engineers told the musos when to start and when to stop. This situation did not really change until, (one can argue this) the Beatles and the accommodating George Martin?

The home recordists/musician has to wear both hats. The fact that he/she* doesn't really want to put in the time to learn the nuts and bolts is hardly OUR fault! I have said to a noob on a forum more than once (in the nicest possible way!) "You have CHOSEN a technical hobby! There really is no escaping learning a little bit of geeky stuff".

*Back to my TV&VCR demo days. I found the ladies far better at grasping the operation. Best of all were nurses (doctors back then were all above such matters and any kind of "work" was a nurses job). Worst of all were male teachers because they knew it all already and were NOT going to take advice from an oik like me!

Dave.

[ef37a]

I defy you all to find an artistic endeavour that is possible without technology?Dave.

Unaccompanied singing?

Unless you take into account that incredibly complex machine, the human being, powering those incredibly complex vocal chords!

Sound crap in a field! Peeps will seek out nice sounding places then learn how to make better ones. Cathedrals are pretty heavy technology for the time.

Dave.

[ConcertinaChap]

But... sobering thought... is that how we might sometimes come across to the newbie just starting the journey?

I ... don't think so, because it's not so long ago I was new to this game and I still remember what it was like. I was met with helpfulness and relatively little technobabble, which is why I stuck around.

CC

[ConcertinaChap]

Peeps will seek out nice sounding places then learn how to make better ones. Cathedrals are pretty heavy technology for the time.

Not always or even mostly! They go down the pub and sing - far more folk clubs in pubs than cathedrals. Or they go down the church hall and sing - community based choirs are flourishing all over the place right now. People love to sing and will go wherever the singing happens to be.

CC

[ef37a]

Peeps will seek out nice sounding places then learn how to make better ones. Cathedrals are pretty heavy technology for the time.

Not always or even mostly! They go down the pub and sing - far more folk clubs in pubs than cathedrals. Or they go down the church hall and sing - community based choirs are flourishing all over the place right now. People love to sing and will go wherever the singing happens to be.

CC

Quite. NOT fields! Even the ability to construct songs and of course write them down needed "technology".

Dave.

[ConcertinaChap]

So you're saying the pubs were designed for people to sing in? If not then you've rather lost me.

CC