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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby TNGator » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:35 am

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TNGator wrote:Is the sample rate a critical factor guys? Native Instruments have a model with 192Khz and Presonus have one with only 90 something K.

Anyone offering 192kHz sample rate in a budget interface is doing it strictly for marketing purposes. While there are good reasons for using a slightly higher sample rate than 44.1kHz, even 96kHz could be considered higher than necessary for audio. There is very little useful signal above 20kHz unless you are conducting scientific research into bats or whales. Plenty of good recordings are still made at 44.1kHz or 48kHz sample rates.

I tend to agree James but like "Class A pre amps" and "rms" watts if you don't offer these things the punters don't consider your gear!

Same goes for mic pre amps that sail past 200kHz. No earthly reason for it unless you want to record bats* (and even then you would get a bat detector!)

The most important specification perhaps is noise floor? Should be -100dB fs or better. Not that a worse spec would ever likley be a problem but a low noise floor shows a certain care in the construction?

Good, low latency, stable drivers are a must and Native Instruments excel at those.

*I would like to capture the ultrasonic doings of hedgehogs. Anyone know of a mic that goes past 50kHz, is waterproof and costs about ten bob?

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Dang....my backing vocalists are bats and drummer is a hedgehog. :headbang:
Thanks Dave...the latency and driver issues are KEY for me. If NI are really good on this I'll deffo check them out. The presonus is ony 88 euro. but if spending say 150 to 200 gets you a far better NI piece of kit then its worth it. Sometimes just jumping for the cheap option isnt always a good idea when you look at the big picture.
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby ef37a » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:44 am

TNGator, you might like to read up on the new F'rite Scarlets in the lataest magazine?

Focusrite have always had a very good following and I am sure their latest offerings will have very well developed drivers?

BTW bit miffed by that review? No rear shots and no mention of MIDI in the text. Which ones have it? The 2i2 was always being trotted out on forums as a great lil' AI but the lack of MIDI (for the price) always put me off.

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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby TNGator » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:51 am

ef37a wrote:TNGator, you might like to read up on the new F'rite Scarlets in the lataest magazine?

Focusrite have always had a very good following and I am sure their latest offerings will have very well developed drivers?

BTW bit miffed by that review? No rear shots and no mention of MIDI in the text. Which ones have it? The 2i2 was always being trotted out on forums as a great lil' AI but the lack of MIDI (for the price) always put me off.

Dave.
Hi Dave. Xave here (Tngator). Yes i read that review and Frite were always a fave with a lot of people. Agree 100% on the midi. Perhaps some people think midi is old hat and a dead duck? Maybe the fact that keyboards are now available as usb they think midi is a black and white TV. My ol keyboard here is midi and works great
So yeah....I deffo need midi ports. OK so i need THREE things not two. Good latency, driver support and midi. This is turning into "what did the romans ever do for us" :bouncy:
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby TNGator » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:56 am

ef37a wrote:TNGator, you might like to read up on the new F'rite Scarlets in the lataest magazine?

Focusrite have always had a very good following and I am sure their latest offerings will have very well developed drivers?

BTW bit miffed by that review? No rear shots and no mention of MIDI in the text. Which ones have it? The 2i2 was always being trotted out on forums as a great lil' AI but the lack of MIDI (for the price) always put me off.

Dave.
The 2i4 second gen has midi and is 150 euro. The third gen version is a lot dearer...220. I might run with the 2nd gen model. I'll re-read the reviews to see what the diff is.
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby James Perrett » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:05 pm

ef37a wrote:*I would like to capture the ultrasonic doings of hedgehogs. Anyone know of a mic that goes past 50kHz, is waterproof and costs about ten bob?

Have you tried piezo transducers? They might need a little work to make them waterproof but they're used extensively for underwater acoustics up to a few MHz.
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby cyrano.mac » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:46 am

ef37a wrote:*I would like to capture the ultrasonic doings of hedgehogs. Anyone know of a mic that goes past 50kHz, is waterproof and costs about ten bob?

Most cheap electrets go up to 50 kHz at least. And if that's not enough, there's always this:

https://www.dodotronic.com/product/momimic/

I've used mics like these (the predecessor, called Dodomic) to record bats and rodents. :bouncy:
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby ef37a » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:20 am

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ef37a wrote:*I would like to capture the ultrasonic doings of hedgehogs. Anyone know of a mic that goes past 50kHz, is waterproof and costs about ten bob?

Most cheap electrets go up to 50 kHz at least. And if that's not enough, there's always this:

https://www.dodotronic.com/product/momimic/

I've used mics like these (the predecessor, called Dodomic) to record bats and rodents. :bouncy:

That looks ideal but I cannot find a specification? Frequency response, sensitivity.

120ees is more than I wanted to pay and I suspect a cable will bump that up some! Still, don't mind if they are truly weatherproof since I was thinking of a pair of Rycote shields for the existing cheapo dynamics at 70 quid a pop.

All hangs on getting the car MOTt'ed!

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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby Wonks » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:18 pm

They list the mic capsule used so you can find out data on it from the manufacturer's website. https://www.digikey.co.uk/product-detai ... -ND/810005

They quote a frequency range 100Hz-10kHz.

But then in this document, they talk about the output falling off above 10kHz, but also the self-noise at a similar rate:

https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/pdf/k/know ... icrophones

It looks like the output is down by 15-16dB at 100kHz compared to 10kHz, so you'd really need some way to linearise that 10kHz + section before pitch shifting it down into audible frequencies.
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Re: Best audio interface around 100€

Postby Dorikano » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:50 pm

I have the M-Track II, not sure I'd recommend it for Windows as I've had issues many times with it causing the BSOD. Not sure if the issue is only related to Windows 10, but I'm not the only one that's had it and there doesn't seem to be much support for it yet. It becomes a pain when you really get into something, forget to save, and this takes down your whole system.
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