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Re: Mixing Separate Multitrack and Stereo Recordings

Postby tk76 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:26 am

Bob Bickerton wrote:
tk76 wrote:The performance I'm recording is a 6 day non-stop kirtan festival in India;

So I’ve just had a look at what a ‘kirtan festival’ entails....... acoustic instruments - probably amplified. If this is the case have you had a conversation with the sound engineer about taking a split off the mixing desk for the MixPre? Is there always 8 mics being used on stage?

If it is unamplified, then we might be able to offer alternative solutions.

Bob

Thanks Bob. I’ll be doing the sound for the event. After attending last year I offered to help out this year as the equipment was so bad and the ‘sound engineer’ almost entirely absent! The instruments are amplified. There are one sometimes two harmoniums, 2 khol drums (2 mics each), 2 lead vocalists. The rest is unamplified loud percussion; brass kartals and tambourine shakers. It’s traditional ‘call and response’ kirtan where the crowd repeats the chanting of the lead singers. Due to the dominance of the amplified vocals the effect of the crowd’s response is often diminished however, something I hope to deal with at the mix stage using the stereo room take. I’ll be using a Midas DM12 with a mic splitter to feed 8 separate signals into the mixer and mixpre.
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Re: Mixing Separate Multitrack and Stereo Recordings

Postby CS70 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

To avoid slippages, if you have easy access to the recorders and the performance has natural break points - say a live concert - you could try and stop/restart the machines every two or three tracks. I do that when recording long video with multiple cameras, via wireless control. Crossfading a couple seconds break or so isn't gonna be noticeable - and having multiple short segments as opposite to one gigantic one helps with the editing (to me at least, and with video more than audio probably, but nevertheless). You won't have the clapping at start for each segment but in my experience most material has enough natural transients that it's easy to align things anyways. Unless it's Cage. :)

Of course this is only if you can't rent a recorder which you can sync to the mixpre, which is definitely your best option. That's because there is always a risk of a snafu in doing that kind of operations "live" (you have no fallback) and you have to physically configure the two recorders near you so that's it's very quick to stop/start them or use wireless (and probably spend some time training so that it becomes natural). In my case I never use the live audio as I make music videos, so losing a little bit would be no drama - even if it hasn't happened so far.
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Re: Mixing Separate Multitrack and Stereo Recordings

Postby Bob Bickerton » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:26 pm

OK. Sounds like you’ll be in control of the situation, which is good.

Pity your mixer doesn’t have another couple of preamps as you could have used that to send to the aux in of the MixPre.

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Re: Mixing Separate Multitrack and Stereo Recordings

Postby James Perrett » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Bob Bickerton wrote:Pity your mixer doesn’t have another couple of preamps as you could have used that to send to the aux in of the MixPre.

Can you monitor the mic inputs of the DR100 recorder in real time? If so, could it be used as a mic preamp with its outputs feeding the aux in of the MixPre?
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Re: Mixing Separate Multitrack and Stereo Recordings

Postby tk76 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:36 pm

James Perrett wrote:
Bob Bickerton wrote:Pity your mixer doesn’t have another couple of preamps as you could have used that to send to the aux in of the MixPre.

Can you monitor the mic inputs of the DR100 recorder in real time? If so, could it be used as a mic preamp with its outputs feeding the aux in of the MixPre?

This is what I'm hoping to do. Will let you know how it goes.
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