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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:41 am

Wow - my discography seems to have suddenly grown in leaps and bounds :ugeek:

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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby The Bunk » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:44 pm

The Elf wrote:A healthy dose of distortion might help too.

Tell you what, that ^ really has made a difference! I've also done a little bit more tweaking based on other replies - thanks to all and especially Zukan for that!
It's a Springsteen song so I'm quite tempted, based on the latest input to this thread, to hand the whole thing over to Zukan and see if he can give The Boss the Gangsta-rap tretament. Could be interesting.
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby The Elf » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:39 pm

The Bunk wrote:
The Elf wrote:A healthy dose of distortion might help too.
Tell you what, that ^ really has made a difference!
Ay thangyu!
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Mixedup » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:31 pm

The Bunk wrote:
The Elf wrote:A healthy dose of distortion might help too.

Tell you what, that ^ really has made a difference! I've also done a little bit more tweaking based on other replies - thanks to all and especially Zukan for that!
It's a Springsteen song so I'm quite tempted, based on the latest input to this thread, to hand the whole thing over to Zukan and see if he can give The Boss the Gangsta-rap tretament. Could be interesting.

I'd be interested to hear that!
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:53 pm

In a pinch I’ll take a newly recorded mono clap track and pan it hard left, then take the same file placed on another track but pan it hard right. Then I’ll clip off a beat of one of the tracks and slide this new starting beat back so it lines up with the original start of beat one on the other track.

Sonic variation Fun!
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:03 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:In a pinch I’ll take a newly recorded mono clap track and pan it hard left, then take the same file placed on another track but pan it hard right. Then I’ll clip off a beat of one of the tracks and slide this new starting beat back so it lines up with the original start of beat one on the other track.

Sonic variation Fun!

That's a good idea MFG! 8-)

Or, instead if clipping off a beat you could instead cut off the first one and paste it onto the end, so you'd then have two complete performances separated by one clap, or even snip the single performance into chunks and reassemble them in two different versions :thumbup:


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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby ManFromGlass » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:14 pm

That could be cool too!

Perhaps it’s time for another practical example of this MS stuff with reverb that Zukan talked about? (In the form of an article) I think I get it but I still find mid/side a bit confusing in theory but possibly not in practice.
I think there is a way to do it with the stock plugins in Logic but understanding the theory has always held me back.
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby The Bunk » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:41 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:In a pinch I’ll take a newly recorded mono clap track and pan it hard left, then take the same file placed on another track but pan it hard right. Then I’ll clip off a beat of one of the tracks and slide this new starting beat back so it lines up with the original start of beat one on the other track.

Sonic variation Fun!

I had to read that twice to get it, but yep, nice!
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Mixedup » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:49 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Perhaps it’s time for another practical example of this MS stuff with reverb that Zukan talked about? (In the form of an article)

Yes, I'd like to read that...


ManFromGlass wrote:I think I get it but I still find mid/side a bit confusing in theory but possibly not in practice.
I think there is a way to do it with the stock plugins in Logic but understanding the theory has always held me back.

Does Dr. Hugh's excellent explanation help? It's nominally about recording, but it runs through the maths for encoding/decoding in a really simple way. Even I could follow it :headbang:
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby ManFromGlass » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:35 am

Oh gawd - math! :headbang:
Ok I’ll read it a few times. Hopefully there are some examples of practical application.
Thanks.
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby The Elf » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:30 pm

Don't get hung up on the theory. Download (free) Voxengo MSED and just get on with it!
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:37 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Oh gawd - math! :headbang:
Ok I’ll read it a few times. Hopefully there are some examples of practical application.
Thanks.

I've posted this iZotope blog link a couple of times in the past, since it opened my eyes to some creative possibilities during the mixing/monitoring phase, and even for studying how many commercial releases use M/S:

https://www.izotope.com/en/blog/mixing/ ... nking.html

Zukan also covers a lot of useful M/S techniques in his ebook 'Low End - the definitive guide for producers', which I reviewed for SOS here:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/sa ... ze-low-end

It's an absolute steal at its current price of £8.99

Hope this helps!


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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby Matt Houghton » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:57 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Oh gawd - math! :headbang:

Hardly... adding and taking away. Even my 8 yr old can do that! I thought you wanted a handle on the theory, no?

I take it you just want more examples of what you can do with it?

Or have I missed something?
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Re: Separating / Distinguishing Snare / handclaps...

Postby ManFromGlass » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:46 pm

Examples is what I’m looking for. I’ll follow up on Martin’s links.
Looking forward to this new rabbit hole to explore!
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