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Do I need new converters?

Postby moodysky » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:35 pm

Hi!

I've been wondering about whether I needed to buy new convertors or not for my home studio.
I presently use those of my RME ff400 and since I wish to have a more dynamic, precise sound, I thought that this part of my gear should be improved.
I only need two channels, I read a lot about Apogee Rosetta 200 and PSX 100 but those two seem a little bit old and I wanted to know if you guys had other ideas. My budget is 600 - 700€.
I don't know a lot about these things to be honest, and some people already told me that the converters of the FF400 were good enough and that there was no use to spend money on other ones. Yet, I compared them with my friend's Apogee AD8000 and the difference was clear for the both of us. So I'm a little bit lost here...

Thanks for your opinions! ;)
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Re: Do I need new converters?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:59 pm

moodysky wrote:I've been wondering about whether I needed to buy new convertors or not for my home studio.

I very much doubt it! :-D

I presently use those of my RME ff400 and since I wish to have a more dynamic, precise sound, I thought that this part of my gear should be improved.

The converters in the FF400 aren't rubbish by any means and, to be blunt, you may well not actually notice a significant performance difference even you went to the expense of the likes of the Lynx Hilo, RME ADI-2Pro or other 'state-of-the-art' converters.

Moreover, none of those are in range of your budget anyway, and the Apogee converters you list are as good but no better than the RME's!

I'm not saying there's no difference in high-end converters -- there is -- but it's pretty subtle and mostly affects the perception of depth and imaging, rather than the 'failings' you've highlighted.

I'd associate disappointing dynamics and a lack of precision with problem acoustics and /or inadequate monitors, rather than outdated converters, added to which any improvements from better converters would be inaudible without high-end monitors and superbly well-sorted room acoustics anyway.

So my recommendation would be to address your room acoustics first (if not already well-sorted) and then consider upgrading the monitors speakers. Then you might have a monitoring chain which would be capable of revealing the subtleties of a high-end converter.

...some people already told me that the converters of the FF400 were good enough and that there was no use to spend money on other ones.

:-) We're of like minds there, then... :-)

Yet, I compared them with my friend's Apogee AD8000 and the difference was clear for the both of us.

Genuinely better, or just different?

The tech specs for the AD8000 are slightly worse than the FF400 on the A-D side, and significantly worse on the D-A side! And, like the PSX100 (which I have and still use alongside more modern converters), it's a little bit 'dirty' and imprecise in comparison to more modern delta-sigma converters. I like what it does for somethings, but it's not what I'd call 'better'.
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Re: Do I need new converters?

Postby moodysky » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:03 pm

Ok guys, thanks a lot for your replies, I think I don't need to buy other ones then :thumbup:
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