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Postby james090 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:44 am

I am looking at doing some music for Hypnosis / sleep, and wondered on the 432hz debate.

Not sure if there is anything in it, or whether it is more calming and relaxing than 440hz?

I know theres tons of info and examples online with comparisons.

How best would I be to do this in a DAW? I don't really want to tune every instrument and sample down, so was asking advice, really, as I think it would be to record your tracks and song normally, and then at the end pitch down the whole finished master (or just before mastering) to 432hz with a straight forward pitch shifter say, inside a stereo editor?

Does anyone know the pitch decrease from 440 > 432hz?

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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:46 am

It is all absolute bollocks. Forget about it and just make nice music.
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby CS70 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:57 am

james090 wrote:Does anyone know the pitch decrease from 440 > 432hz?

Work at 440Hz and when you are done, put a pitch shifter on the master bus and shift down for -31.766653633429414 cents or whereabouts

Absolutely no magic will happen and it's a total waste of time.
But it's not much time, so if it makes you happy..
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:02 am

If you're gonna believe the nuttiness of magical properties in 432Hz tuning, then you're not going to accept the terrible artefacts inherent in digital pitch-shifting, surely? :D

Seriously, though, just retune your instruments and record the performance... it will sound slightly different,, especially with acoustic instruments whose temperament may change slightly with the revised tuning. In my experience, though, it really doesn't do anything magical!

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Re: 432hz Music

Postby james090 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:03 am

I'll drop it.

Its not something im in too personally, but thought I'd get the opinions of this board, as its rife over the internet, claiming something magical happens... :headbang: :wtf:
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby CS70 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:04 am

Worth mentioning that to scratch that itch, you can well try. Make a ittle detuned production or pitch shift st the end with say Melodyne and you’ll find out.

Opinions (even good opinions;-)) are a dime a dozen and this is easy to try.

I did detune a production once by accident (the main guitar take was played with a guitar in perfect relative tuning, but overall somewhere between A and Ab) and, having played the song many times afterwards in regular pitch, I can’t say it made much difference. Hence my opinion.
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Watchmaker » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:25 am

432 is great for making it hard for people to transcribe by ear. Exile on Main Street by the Stones is at 430 I think. Not sure if that was intentional or not but it is a magical album.
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:29 am

I agree with everything the others have said above - it's an arbitrary decision that doesn't result in anything universe-bending :shock:

Occasionally I'll meet someone who's convinced that tuning to 432Hz does result in magical happenings (as it happens, I met a djembe drum maker a week ago who said he made up various drums tuned to both 440Hz and 432Hz variants, and that he sold out of the 432Hz tuned models but not the others ;) ) However, I'd put that down to coincidence or even that the maker took more care when making the models he intended to tune to a note on the 432Hz scale.

Here's a sensible and level-headed read about the whole issue:

https://enmoreaudio.com/a432hz-the-math ... he-legend/


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Re: 432hz Music

Postby james090 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:30 am

Martin Walker wrote:I agree with everything the others have said above - it's an arbitrary decision that doesn't result in anything universe-bending :shock:

Occasionally I'll meet someone who's convinced that tuning to 432Hz does result in magical happenings (as it happens, I met a djembe drum maker a week ago who said he made up various drums tuned to both 440Hz and 432Hz variants, and that he sold out of the 432Hz tuned models but not the others ;) ) However, I'd put that down to coincidence or even that the maker took more care with the 432Hz models.

Here's a sensible and level-headed read about the whole issue:

https://enmoreaudio.com/a432hz-the-math ... he-legend/


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All good advice. I think this could be summed up as

432Hz = Emperor's new clothes?
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:47 am

It might be a good marketing tool though? A straw poll of potential customers might be worth the effort (are you hoping to sell to practitioners or 'end users'?). I bet some will say it makes a difference.......
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby james090 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:48 am

Sam Spoons wrote:It might be a good marketing tool though? A straw poll of potential customers might be worth the effort (are you hoping to sell to practitioners or 'end users'?). I bet some will say it makes a difference.......

This was my thoughts, and Youtube is littered with 432hz music and sine waves.
Someone is listening to this stuff.... :mrgreen:
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby twotoedsloth » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:13 pm

I'm not sure about 432hz, but I often do work at A=415hz for baroque and early music, and A=442 for modern "classical" music.

I can easily hear the difference between 440 and 415, not so much for 442.

A few years ago I was recording an orchestra performing Bartok's 2nd violin concerto, and while the orchestra was tuning up before the dress rehearsal, the soloist (who just arrived from the airport) berated the oboist, saying "Nobody tunes to 440 anymore, does anyone here really tune to 440?" While the difference was a bit too subtle for me to discern, I did feel really back for the harpist, who had to wait until the break to retune her harp, and even worse for the celeste player, since he couldn't do anything about the tuning of his instrument.

I don't think I've recorded anything at A=432, but if I did, I didn't notice it. From the few examples I have heard, 432 just sounds quite out of tune, rather the opposite of relaxing.

Organs frequently have esoteric tunings, I'd hate to be the organ tech who has to retune the whole instrument to accommodate a performer who wants to work at 432.

Instruments are made to be tuned to a specific pitch, usually 440hz. While it's trivial for a string instrument to tune up or down a bit, things aren't so easy for double reed instruments like oboe or bassoon, and short of chopping a bit off the end of a flute, you can't always tune it sharp. I think it's usually possible to tune a conventional flute flatter than normal, but many orchestral flutists are now playing wooden flutes, and they can't be retuned at all.

I guess what I'm saying is tuning is more complex than one might think.
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:29 pm

Yes, you can tune a modern flute a little sharp or flat but, unlike a string instrument if you tune it ⅓rd semitone from it's designed pitch the intonation will be out.
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Folderol » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 pm

Well, if you just play in Ab you're pretty close - 415.2042 Hz :lol:
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:33 pm

No problem for the French Horn section, they're always transposing on the fly :D
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby CS70 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:28 pm

What makes quite a little bit of difference is the temperament ,rather than the A reference frequency. That's why we guitarists are always bending notes...
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby blinddrew » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:02 pm

CS70 wrote: That's why we guitarists are always bending notes...
Oh, you do that deliberately? :shock:
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:17 pm

Mai oui!
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Re: 432hz Music

Postby Music Wolf » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 pm

Wonks wrote:It is all absolute bollocks. Forget about it and just make nice music.

I am in total agreement with Wonks.
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