Arpangel wrote:...people are of the opinion that for organ music a cardioid speaker isn't ideal, as the sound from organ pipes comes from all directions.
If you were building a system to reproduce organ music in a cathedral or church this might -- might -- have some relevance. But you're not.
You're looking to reproduce organ music in a domestic environment with less than ideal acoustic properties, especially at the very low end. One potential aid (not solution) to dealing with that problem is to use speakers with a cardioid bass response as they will tend to excite the room less. Basically, you don't get the direct LF reflection off the rear wall behind the speaker, so that specific source of interference is removed... which can help.... but you do still get LF reflections off the side and back walls, of course, so a cardioid response won't magically do away with room modes in an untreated room!
And the other downside is that speakers with cardioid LF responses are difficult and expensive to build...
I forgot to say, I remember now, when Mike brought down his BlueSky system he set-up 5.1 surround, and that's why it sounded very realistic.
Ah yes... it's certainly the case that good sound envelopment can really help to create the illusion of being in a big space, and that would certainly add a welcome degree of realism to an organ recital! It's also amazing what a substantial difference it makes to many forms of acoustic music add a proper height replay channel as well -- something else I know Mike was experimenting with.
I've also had a recommendation for the Barefoot M27's, although I'm very wary of these, apparently they go down to 35 Hz but that's not enough, I need at least 32, preferably 16Hz.
Oh for heaven's sake! :wtf:
A speaker doesn't just stop working at 35Hz, or whatever. The number quoted in the specs is a measurement denoting the point where the speaker's output level has fallen by 3dB (or 6dB or 10dB, depending on the manufacturer's viewpoint) relative to its sensitivity in the mid-range (ie 1kHz) -- NOT the frequency below which nothing comes out!!!!!!!!!!!! :crazy:
But you'd be very hard pushed to find any system capable of a flat response to 16Hz that you can (a) afford, and (b) fit into your room, and (c) could actually be supported by your room's acoustic properties anyway!
The only people that have achieved that kind of performance in commercial recording studios were Tom Hidley and Shozo Kinoshita... and there are only a few control rooms built to that standard in the entire world because no one could afford that level of performance! (See the relevant section of this article: https://www.soundonsound.com/music-business/bop-studios-story
I'm using Hauptwerk virtual pipe organ, and recommendations for speakers for that suggest 32Hz as a bare minimum requirement.
Yeah... right.... :wave: :headbang:
My budget is OK, around the price of a Barefoot M27, or a bit more if suitable.[/quote]
If you're seriously looking at blowing around £10k plus on monitors (the price of a pair of M27s), you'd be utterly, utterly barking bonkers raving mad loony not to invest FIRST in properly designed room acoustic treatment -- which needn't actually cost that much or look embarrassingly DIY.
But if you want a surround system you'll obviously have to scale back the quality of the monitor speakers a fair bit from the Barefoots to afford five main monitors and a subwoofer.
For straight stereo with a £10k budget there are a lot of very decent stereo monitors that would make a good fist of the pedal register. JW's Geithain 944Ks are certainly a good option, and the SP Acoustics 1MA that Max suggested, or even the ATC SCM50 that I think you said you liked. Or there's the Unity Audio Boulder which is extremely nice, and Neumann's KH420s (or KH310s and sub) are more affordable options. Or there's the passive route with speakers like the PMC's IB1 plus a decent amp like a Bryston 4B... (which provides my own very satisfying organ music delivery system! ;-) )