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Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 am
by Arpangel
Yet another session tomorrow, accordion, and me on synth.
I'm going to use one Sennhieser MKH40 on the accordion, and a Beyer M201 on the synth cab, both in mono. We are, as usual, in the same room, improvising, playing all in one take.
The other mic's I have are an MKH30, and SM57/58, I'm wondering about options, I just want a bit of a chance to balance the two instruments after the event.
I don't want to DI the synth, as the position of the monitors in our rooom makes direct listening a pain, the monitors are just in the wrong place for live playing.
I'm not too worried about this session, I may actually just use the built-in mic's on my Tascam DR100, could be interesting, I was also thinking of rigging an M+S pair, for both things, but that sounded awful last time, way too much room, even fairly close, and no option to balance levels later.
Just interested in how other folks may approach this informal jam.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:46 am
by The Elf
Arpangel wrote:I don't want to DI the synth, as the position of the monitors in our rooom makes direct listening a pain
That doesn't stop you DI-ing. Why not just split to your monitoring amp from, say an aux send?

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:57 am
by Bob Bickerton
Yep, I’d take a DI off the synth and use minimal monitoring to improve spill into the accordion mics. If the accordionist is playing both left and right hands you’d need two mics on that - I’ve sometimes used three (two on the right hand). Cardioid or hypercardioid a preference, but the MKH30 would be old if you need to use its nulls to attenuate spill.

Bob

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:09 am
by Sam Inglis
Miking both ends of the accordion can work but you sometimes end up with a weirdly disjointed sound, as though they were two separate instruments. Depending on the instrument you can sometimes pick up a lot of distracting button noise that way too. I often prefer the slightly mellower sound you get from a single mic or coincident pair in front of the instrument. Not sure I'd want to use a hypercardioid like the 201 in that role though, you'd want something with a wider pickup pattern.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:50 pm
by The Red Bladder
Sometimes I think you just pose these crazy problems just to wind us up!

"I've got a 1950s hearing aid valve, a length of wire and a clockwork gramophone. I have to record nine-foot nun singing selections from Gilbert and Sullivan. Any suggestions?"

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:52 pm
by John Willett
The Red Bladder wrote:Sometimes I think you just pose these crazy problems just to wind us up!

"I've got a 1950s hearing aid valve, a length of wire and a clockwork gramophone. I have to record nine-foot nun singing selections from Gilbert and Sullivan. Any suggestions?"

:bouncy:

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:57 pm
by Arpangel
The Red Bladder wrote:Sometimes I think you just pose these crazy problems just to wind us up!

"I've got a 1950s hearing aid valve, a length of wire and a clockwork gramophone. I have to record nine-foot nun singing selections from Gilbert and Sullivan. Any suggestions?"

Cheers Bladd, the trouble with my posts is.....they are sadly true!
You can hear all of this stuff, it's up there on SoundCloud, loads of it, I'll,post a link when I've got permission from the accordion.

:)

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:02 pm
by The Red Bladder
What - even the nine-foot nun??? Good heavens!

(If you are planning on bringing her up here, I get an extension built onto the guest room!)

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:05 pm
by Arpangel
The Red Bladder wrote:What - even the nine-foot nun??? Good heavens!

(If you are planning on bringing her up here, I get an extension built onto the guest room!)

I'm still working on a roof rack for the TVR, to take the marimba?.. :)
Trouble is, I've got to figure out how to put caterpillar tracks on a Griffith, to get down your drive....

:D

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:10 pm
by The Red Bladder
Those holes had to be imported by the local tourist board.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:45 pm
by Arpangel
The Red Bladder wrote:Those holes had to be imported by the local tourist board.

Have you got a trailer?

:D

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:48 am
by Arpangel
Just set-up the mic, I've decided on the MKH30, with the null facing my monitors, to cut down on synth spill, I'm not using the keyboard amp, I'm going to DI as suggested.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:12 am
by Arpangel
Success, used an SM57 on the accordion, sounded perfect to me, just "right" unlike the MKH30, too edgy. Love the MKH, but not in this situation.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:59 am
by Bob Bickerton
Ah yes, the SM57 on accordion, perfect synergy - both make excellent door stops!

Bob

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:06 pm
by Sam Spoons
:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

It's hard to knock nails in with an accordion though

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:15 pm
by The Elf
Sam Spoons wrote::bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
It's hard to knock nails in with an accordion though
But it's a joy trying! ;) :lol:

Apologies to Concertina Chap!

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:57 am
by Arpangel
Bob Bickerton wrote:Ah yes, the SM57 on accordion, perfect synergy - both make excellent door stops!

Bob

Truly, the 57 sounds great with accordion, in fact, a 57 sounds good on a lot of things, but for accordion it sounds very natural, I think because of its restricted top end, it's not edgy.
The 57 is a bit like an MD421, without the pedigree.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:22 pm
by shufflebeat
Bob Bickerton wrote:Ah yes, the SM57 on accordion, perfect synergy - both make excellent door stops!

Bob

Why you little...!!

Dermot Byrne likes a '58 live and plays to the mic with some skill.

Re polar patterns - should differentiate between piano accordions the size of small (?) wardrobes and the tiny tasteful (?) button accordions more associated with Irish trad.

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:24 pm
by Bob Bickerton
It was a joke........ but having said that, whilst the 57 is a competent microphone, I nearly always select an M201 in preference.

Bob

Re: Accordion and synth, microphones?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:42 pm
by Arpangel
Bob Bickerton wrote:It was a joke........ but having said that, whilst the 57 is a competent microphone, I nearly always select an M201 in preference.

Bob

We didn't have time to try the 201, I'll do it next time. By the way, this is a smallish keyboard accordion.