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Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:13 am

I've been using mainly analogue synths for awhile now, my Mini Moog, Eurorack, for a bit, and now my Buchla. All I can think of is that I've got used to a ceartin type of sound.
But now I'm revisiting my old digital stuff, my A--Station is fine, that has a sound that's unique, and I don't mind that, but I have an Alesis Micron and a Proteus 2000 that could benefit from a bit of a warm up.
I know there are various ways of doing this, more obvious chorusing or layering, but that's not what I'm after, all I need is a thickening, warming up of the sound, I'm after a stereotypical tube sound, not something subtle, a cliched valve sound, harmonic distortion.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:39 am

Still can't say I interpret distortion as being 'warmth', but...

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47153
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:49 am

The Elf wrote:Still can't say I interpret distortion as being 'warmth', but...

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47153

That thread mentions the ART Tube preamp, I'm thinking along these lines, but I'm also thinking of maybe putting things through an amp, for a more dramatic effect.
Maybe distortion is the wrong word, I can hear in my head what I want, it's just bigger, warmer, I can cut the top,end and hoist the bass and lower mid, but that's not it, I think it may be the harmonic distortion of valves, they seem to do everything but don't rob the sound of clarity, it's like something nice has been added.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am

dbx386? At some point you're likely to need stereo.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:58 am

The Elf wrote:dbx386? At some point you're likely to need stereo.

Elf, I definitely need stereo, from the beginning.
This is a "saturated" market..... :blush: sorry!
The first thing that comes to my mind is the Culture Vulture, but that's stupid money, but this is like buying a suit, and just as personal, a fifty quid pedal might do it, ad we are talking about a little hundred quid synth, its not worth spending too much.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:42 am

Arpangel wrote:Elf, I definitely need stereo, from the beginning.
Then I'd definitely put the dbx386 on your check-list. I thought those ART Tube boxes were all mono?

I'd recommend my beloved VKP-1, but I have only seen one other in many years of searches.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby ef37a » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:41 pm

They have been around for over ten years now and are seen as a bit 'Marmite', mainly because of size and power requirement but the Blackstar HT pedal range are noted for a good OD sounds and are very controllable. Might picjk one up cheaply second hand.

The 'warmf' is generated by a double triode and unlike most other 'toob' pre amps, these run at the right, ouchy, 300V HT.

Most versatile of the lot is the HT-Dual and that also has a speaker emulated second output ideal for recording or feeding a PA. Designed for guitar of course but the tone controls have vast range. TMB plus a sweep notch filter.

Got a good review in the mag.

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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Dan LB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:10 pm

Elektron Analog Heat?
https://youtu.be/PQXPARuCXZg

There’s a MKii version now too.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:05 pm

I'm not after a "hovering on the edge" type of sound, just a "nice" valve processor, it's getting that balance, or getting something with a fine degree of control, I just want my Micron to sound like an Oberhiem through a Fender Dual Showman, come on chaps, is that really too much to ask?

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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:12 pm

Arpangel wrote:I just want my Micron to sound like an Oberhiem through a Fender Dual Showman, come on chaps, is that really too much to ask?
:D
Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaah...
:D

Have you considered a new synth?! :wink: :lol:
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 pm

The Elf wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I just want my Micron to sound like an Oberhiem through a Fender Dual Showman, come on chaps, is that really too much to ask?
:D
Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaah...
:D

Have you considered a new synth?! :wink: :lol:

Yeeeeeaaahhhhh????? Oh, OK then!

:D :D

I loved my Micron, got loads of good sounds for it, but lately it sounds so damn thin, for some reason.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 pm

And an amp perhaps? ;)
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 pm

blinddrew wrote:And an amp perhaps? ;)

I've got a Roland Guitar Cube, I'll put it through that with a bit of drive, it's got a recording output, I'll try that.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Whatever the question now is, the answer is "Novation Peak".

My work here is done! :D :beamup:
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:40 pm

The Elf wrote:Whatever the question now is, the answer is "Novation Peak".

My work here is done! :D :beamup:

I've just passed the Peak, I'm on my way to the Summit...

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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:41 pm

Arpangel wrote:
The Elf wrote:Whatever the question now is, the answer is "Novation Peak".

My work here is done! :D :beamup:

I've just passed the Peak, I'm on my way to the Summit...

:D
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:50 pm

chanceoperation wrote:maybe this?

https://www.radialeng.com/product/firefly
Mono, from what I can see.
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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby IAA » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:55 pm

I've got a Roland Guitar Cube, I'll put it through that with a bit of drive, it's got a recording output, I'll try that

Mr Wakeman no less pushed many of his synths/keyboards through external amplification in the studio to rather good effect!

You could also send some of your digital stuff through the Model D ext input - that's also quite a nice sound - Ive tried it with a Kronos lead and it was quite nice

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Re: Overdrive unit/pedal for warming digital synths?

Postby BillB » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:44 pm

Shouldn't you just attach wooden end-cheeks to the synths in question? :tongue:
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