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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby currentsound » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:22 pm

fredmant wrote: However, that assumes that outside of analog sources, you'll be satisfied with the two or three VI's currently in UA's line up. In the real world, a UA Console/DAW or UA Luna/DAW codependency will need to be maintained for a long time to come if not indefinitely. Add to that the major investment many have made in complete VI solutions like Arturia Collection, Native Instruments Komplete, etc, hybrid tracking is a requirement that needs to be improved, not glossed over with UA-Centric solution.

On launch, Luna will support AU plugins. I would assume that will also include instruments. So I don't know why you would think you will only be able to use UAD's instruments.

Here is the video I shot asking about 3rd party plugins: https://youtu.be/JKSS6UbMXDA
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby Kayvon » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:52 pm

If this thing can deal 100% with aligning external MIDI recordings and playback then colour me v interested. I disappeared up my own brainhole working out the flaws in recording MIDI spot on into Ableton so if I could have full confidence that what I'm playing in is being played back I'd have no problem buying into the Apollo platform.

The cynic in me suspects they may not be quite as ruthlessly intent on perfect MIDI timing but one can and does hope.
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby The Elf » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:05 pm

desmond wrote:
jellyjim wrote:It's amazing it's free :o
*If* you have an Apollo or Arrow, of course - it only works with those.
...which makes it a new 'Pro Tools'.

I thought we'd done away with all that nonsense.
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby Bob Bickerton » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:13 pm

Not nonsense if you’re already an Apollo owner!

Wasn't Pro Tools a case of the software driving the hardware purchase? I suspect this is the other way around - you buy into the hardware and now (potentially) you have the option of well integrated software to support your purchase.

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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby The Elf » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:21 pm

To me it would make more sense to stick with the DAW you already have that can also run on your mobile rig that (maybe) doesn't have an Apollo interface. And you can take that project to someone else who has your DAW, but a completely different AI.

I just don't see the point of an AI-brand-locked DAW. It feels like we've gone back two decades!
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:46 am

I'm open minded about this.

I've already got Apollo Tbolt kit so I can download it and use it at no cost. I will certainly download it and try it. Whether I will keep on using it will depend on whether the advantages outweigh the disadvantages when compared with Logic. The odds are against that since v1 doesn't support control surfaces but who knows what may come downstream.

I'm interested while it's free. If it ever costs or requires kit I don't already have then it would have to be bloody amazing to wean me off Logic.

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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby Bob Bickerton » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 am

Agreed - I'm not sure whether I will or won't use it, but it potentially has benefits that I can't get from Logic in terms of monitor sends etc. It's possible that, if I use it, it'll be for projects in the studio where I'm tracking other musicians and setting up monitor sends etc.

My mobile rig is based around Sound Devices anyway, so would I use Logic or Luna to process that - who knows?

You could consider Luna to be an optional extra to their Console software - as I said before I believe this to be hardware driven not software driven as in the case of ProTools.

What would be unfortunate is if UAD locked you into using Luna on their hardware - but that's not going to happen.

Anyway it's all conjecture and early days. Personally I've always considered changing DAW to be tantamount to changing religion and when you have to use another DAW it's feels as uncomfortable as wearing someone else's underwear (note - this is also conjecture).

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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby OneWorld » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:44 am

Bob Bickerton wrote: Personally I've always considered changing DAW to be tantamount to changing religion and when you have to use another DAW it's feels as uncomfortable as wearing someone else's underwear (note - this is also conjecture).

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And when you're in between you have to go commando!

I am having a go at changing DAWs even though on Cubase10, I am trying the Bandlab Cakewalk. I really like the GUI, especially channel strip, which seems to make so much sense. Whereas with Cubase I have to keep opening and closing the mixer, which is an ugly critter anyway. It looks as if it was designed by the makers of Tonka Toys or Lada cars

But try as I might, as soon as I get back to Cubase I feel as if I have come home, speaking my native tongue instead of feeling like I am wandering around Wallonia being dependent on a phrase book.

Steinberg, please, please, please look at the Cakewalk GUI and I plight my troth to you and will never stray again (Although LUNA looks good!)
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby ore_terra » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:22 am

I dont see myself moving from cubase either for mixing, but currently for recording I have to be switching from console to cubase and backwards to set the channels, as I like to print some comp and EQ (and corrective EQ if needed). for that currently I need to solo the track incubase, send the output back to a virtual input in console, tweak with the plugin there, and move the plugin to the right channel in console... you can imagine how those steps will be simplified with this LUNA :bouncy:

for me, if I can do the above, comping is as easy and quick and multichannel exporting is painless, I'm more than sold to LUNA.

beyond that, that emulated neve summing (price pending, of course :mrgreen: ), the tape oxide... if they're an improvement over my current tape shit thing and summing shit thing (J37 and console 5) that would be a plus too.
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:25 pm

The Elf wrote:I just don't see the point of an AI-brand-locked DAW.

It makes sense from UAD's perspective.

Their business is based on plugins, and their's are locked into physical hardware... but general purpose computer tech is now so good that native plugs are easily as good. So their marketing advantage and market share are diminishing.

One way of maintaining and building the customer base is to offer something that no one else can do... like integrate the plugins with the interface to closer replicate vintage hardware and allow other features ... which they've done with Apollo.

And another is to offer a level of plugin integration, signal routing and control with the DAW that others just can't do... which they are now introducing with Luna.

I agree it isn't a very practical option for a professional like you who needs greater flexibility and independence, but for a lot of bedroom warriors it could be quite an attractive option. And once they get new users adopting the DAW most will remain UAD customers for life (assuming it's a decent product that's maintained and developed sensibly).

As a business model, I can see the hoped-for advantages...
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby The Elf » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:16 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
The Elf wrote:I just don't see the point of an AI-brand-locked DAW.
It makes sense from UAD's perspective.
Of course!

Hugh Robjohns wrote:As a business model, I can see the hoped-for advantages...
So can I.

But the world doesn't need yet another DAW - at least not one locked down to a hardware brand - IMHO, of course! :)

(And yes, I'd say the same if it was RME doing this!)
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby desmond » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:23 pm

The Elf wrote:But the world doesn't need yet another DAW

And UA would seem to agree with you, which is why they are very deliberately not using the term "DAW" in any of their marketing for Luna. ("We get fined $5 for saying 'DAW'", jokes one Luna demonstrator.)

They refer to it call it a "recording system" - almost as if you had a hardware box (a UA audio interface), with integrated DSP (UAD2), and a sophisticated integrated mixer/recorder, with a graphical front end - it also gets across the "system" aspect, which means UA interface + UA DSP + computer + UA software - to stop people thinking they can just use it with their regular audio interface etc.

I think it will find a small market, but whether it catches on in any notable way I'm skeptical - but we shall see, of course...
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby The Elf » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:31 pm

desmond wrote:
The Elf wrote:But the world doesn't need yet another DAW
And UA would seem to agree with you, which is why they are very deliberately not using the term "DAW" in any of their marketing for Luna. ("We get fined $5 for saying 'DAW'", jokes one Luna demonstrator.)

They refer to it call it a "recording system"...
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby zed » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:03 am

I just installed it as I thought I'd have a look at the Neve summing thing, which seems like the big new thing here, but that is £229 - anyone used it think it's worth that + switching worklflow? I mean that is £30 more than Logic is.
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Re: LUNA: New DAW from Universal Audio

Postby desmond » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:13 am

Wait, so it's free to UAD interface owners... apart from all the features that aren't free?

I see the Luna instruments, like the Moog and stuff, are all paid extras too...

I remember when the UAD platform wasn't so nickle 'n' dimey. I love their stuff, but...

Edit: 50% off all UAD plugins at the moment... :tongue:

Hey - what happened to the Lexicon 224? It seems to be gone from UA's site now, only the 480 is there...

The page just 404's:-
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/reverbs/lexicon-224.html
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