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Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:54 am
by john@franklinroadstudio
So...
Playing in a drum pattern from an Alesis SR-16 drum machine @ 100bpm against a 100bpm click in Audacity.
They start together but after a minute or so they're not in synch??

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:21 am
by The Elf
Are you running these thing free of any clocking? No two DAWs are ever going to be absolutely spot on - expecting an old drum machine to adhere to absolutely precise BPM timings is optimistic at the least.

Or are you clocking the drum machine from your DAW?

You have two choices...

- send a MIDI clock to the drum machine from the DAW to keep them in sync
- program the drums in your DAW and just use the drum machine as a sound module.

I pretty much always take the latter approach.

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:47 am
by Eddy Deegan
I don't think I've ever had two MIDI devices keep in sync for as long as a minute without using a MIDI clock of some kind, though some are better than others.

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:41 am
by Wonks
You're basically asking two drummers to stay in time with each other. What can you expect? ;)

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:43 am
by Sam Spoons
Wonks wrote:You're basically asking two drummers to stay in time with each other. What can you expect? ;)

Especially if they can neither hear each other nor talk to each other, the clock allows the devices to 'talk' to each other.

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:01 pm
by BJG145
Sam Spoons wrote:
Wonks wrote:You're basically asking two drummers to stay in time with each other. What can you expect?

Especially if they can neither hear each other nor talk to each other.

Drummers talk to each other?

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:07 pm
by CS70
Drummers talk?

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:18 pm
by James Perrett
Wonks wrote:You're basically asking two drummers to stay in time with each other. What can you expect? ;)

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVmi-uKcFxk

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:13 pm
by Sam Spoons
Brilliant but no, I was thinking of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMGbShZqkU

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:52 pm
by blinddrew

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:11 pm
by Sam Spoons
:clap: :clap: :clap:

You win....... ;)

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:31 pm
by The Bunk
I remember seeing Dave Edmunds with guests such as Dion and Graham Parker in the early 1990's IIRC, and they used two drummers, both doing the same thing...i.e. it wasn't one playing more of a percussion role, they were both nailing it. Absolutely brilliant. Seems to work pretty well "live" although nothing really strayed far from 4/4. And they didn't talk to each other, they just looked at each other and nodded a lot. But it was damn good.

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:54 pm
by Martin Walker
I must add this one to the collection - a classic re-interpreted, with THREE drummers 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3028oDEKZo4


Martin

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:17 pm
by Eddy Deegan
Martin Walker wrote:I must add this one to the collection - a classic re-interpreted, with THREE drummers 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3028oDEKZo4

Superb :clap: :thumbup:

Re: Mismatch in tempos?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:42 pm
by BJG145
...not bad...hadn't heard of Gavin Harrison before.

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