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Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:44 am

Yet another piano and marimba session today, and more mic experimentation.
Planning on using a couple of shotgun mic's on the marimba, and my MKH40's on the piano, the shortage of four cardioids is becoming acute, and I’m making a shopping list, but for now I’ve got to press these shotguns into service. I tried my newly acquired Schoeps CCM22’s but they are a bit too ambient, and too much spill.
Just wondering if the shotguns would be a good idea?
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:55 am

Shotguns inside can be a lot more headache than they're worth - you can get all kinds of weird effects going on so if you're looking for a really natural sound I probably wouldn't start with them.
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Bob Bickerton » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:40 am

Agreed...... tried working the Schoeps closer?

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:51 am

I agree... shotguns in a moderate-sized untreated room tend to create more problems than they solve.

The way the interference tube works is that it expects only the wanted sound to come down the length of the tube, and the unwanted sound to come in of all the side ports, where the different path lengths result in broadband cancellation.

But in a lively room, there's a lot of the wanted sound coming in the side ports too... so the cancellation fails and the hoped for directivity goes to pot. You're left with a phasey-sounding hypercardioid at best...

If you have a problem with spill, then close mic and rig gobos or acoustic screens in some form.

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:18 pm

Thanks folks, the session is about to start, I’m going with the Schoeps but closer, as suggested.

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:49 pm

Good luck and have fun. :thumbup:
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Productions Zvon » Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:12 pm

Interesting and informative comments about shotgun mics in a small room!

A few years ago I did use one to record reed organs to create a sample set. More precisely I used several types of mics and if memory serves, I close mic and aimed the shotgun away from the fans that these organs have to reduce their noise.

Results were good but of course every room will sound different and it was a single instrument playing 1 note at a time, not a session.

Hope your session went well!
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:51 pm

Productions Zvon wrote:Interesting and informative comments about shotgun mics in a small room!

A few years ago I did use one to record reed organs to create a sample set. More precisely I used several types of mics and if memory serves, I close mic and aimed the shotgun away from the fans that these organs have to reduce their noise.

Results were good but of course every room will sound different and it was a single instrument playing 1 note at a time, not a session.

Hope your session went well!

Yes, I have seen them used in small spaces, especially on the Tiny Desk concerts.
The session went well! I threw all caution to the wind and just used a spaced A/B pair of cardioids on the marimba, and my Schoeps CCM22’s on piano, also a spaced A/B pair, no sounds darting all over the place, a solid sound, I didn’t pan the mics full left/right, I narrowed things slightly, which suits things better.
We started of playing straight marimba/piano improvisations, but got a bit carried away with the speed control in Reaper, slowing things down, added a lot of Vintage Verb 224 style, and ended up in Harold Budd territory times 10.

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby The Elf » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:22 pm

Shotgun mic's are great for 'Voice of God' voice-overs!
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Wonks » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:00 pm

Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:24 pm

Only for recording a particular kind of wedding ;)
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Kwackman » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:28 pm

Wonks wrote:Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?

The old AKG CK8 might fit that description?
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Bob Bickerton » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:11 am

Wonks wrote:Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?

It’s called a wide-cardioid ;)

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Arpangel » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:52 am

Bob Bickerton wrote:
Wonks wrote:Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?

It’s called a wide-cardioid ;)

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How wide can a wide cardioid get?...an "omni cardioid"

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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby cyrano.mac » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:35 pm

Kwackman wrote:
Wonks wrote:Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?

The old AKG CK8 might fit that description?

Mine certainly does, as it's lost it's nose :beamup:
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Wonks » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:57 pm

cyrano.mac wrote:
Kwackman wrote:
Wonks wrote:Does anyone make a sawn-off shotgun mic?

The old AKG CK8 might fit that description?

Mine certainly does, as it's lost it's nose :beamup:

How does it smell? ;)
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:03 pm

Terrible! :bouncy:
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Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:42 pm

Ba-bum-tish :bouncy:
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Re: Using shotgun mic's in a small room?

Postby audio mixing online » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:59 am

Killer for snare, I can't believe people seem to have forgotten about this. Great puns btw!
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