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Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby jodaki » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:35 pm

I have a couple of spare SM58 mics that I dont think I’ll use much anymore. I understand they won’t sound exactly the same because the 57 has an integral basket grille, but, if I take the basket off a 58 would it be a good substitute for an SM57?
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Tim Gillett » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:59 pm

I think so. Apparently the only difference in sound between the 57 and 58 is due to the different grilles. They use the same capsule. As seen by the frequency diagram, it's not a huge difference. The SM58's grille is better at preventing wind and breath noise though, although the foam filter material can deteriorate into dust , making the SM58 sound explosively poppy. Perhaps the cheapest way to rejuvenate an old SM58 is to just replace that small sheet of foam under the grille.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby jodaki » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:54 pm

Thanks. The 58s are in good condition. I would just have more use for them as instrument mics.
I’m interested in the claim (heard a few times) that a 58 is just a 57 with a pop shield grille, which can be removed to more or less turn it into a 57.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:35 am

The problem is that without the grille in place the capsule is at greater risk of damage. Why take the risk?

If it were me, I'd either carry on using the SM58s as they are, or I'd sell them and buy some proper 57s (or other general purpose dynamic -- I much prefer Beyer M201s...)
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Watchmaker » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:22 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:The problem is that without the grille in place the capsule is at greater risk of damage. Why take the risk?

If it were me, I'd either carry on using the SM58s as they are, or I'd sell them and buy some proper 57s (or other general purpose dynamic -- I much prefer Beyer M201s...)

3 57's for the price of one 201...I would hope so :D
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Bob Bickerton » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:38 am

Watchmaker wrote:3 57's for the price of one 201...I would hope so :D

Well you get what you pay for - and at Canford an M201 is less than double the price of an SM57 - so a realistic price for a wonderful microphone.

Agreed about not wanting to use microphones without any protection.

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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Tim Gillett » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:55 am

It's easy for one mic to trump another by not comparing apples with apples. The Shure KSM8 dynamic is a much better performer than either the SM57/58 or M201. Yes we get what we pay for.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby The Elf » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:00 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:... or I'd sell them and buy some proper 57s (or other general purpose dynamic -- I much prefer Beyer M201s...)
+1

The SMs continue to cling on by reputation, despite being overtaken on all sides. You can do better in 2020.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Tim Gillett » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:16 pm

The Elf wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:... or I'd sell them and buy some proper 57s (or other general purpose dynamic -- I much prefer Beyer M201s...)
+1

The SMs continue to cling on by reputation, despite being overtaken on all sides. You can do better in 2020.

Indeed but at $99 US the SM 57/58's appear to be the cheapest dynamics Shure now sell. It goes up from there. The premium KSM8 is $499 US. Shure isn't marketing the SM57/58 as their premium dynamic mic. The opposite.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:21 pm

Shure still do the PGA range of budget dynamics starting at $34 and the SM48 at $62.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Tim Gillett » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:26 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Shure still do the PGA range of budget dynamics starting at $34 and the SM48 at $62.

Thanks Sam, right down the alphabetical list under the P's. The point still holds though. At $99 in no way do Shure themselves promote the SM 57/58 as their premium dynamics.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:31 pm

Well, I found them at the top after my natural response to re-order everything by price ;) but fair comment. FWIW I think the Shure listings are in order of popularity which is, I guess, why the SM48 did not appear above the SM58. But, as you say, your point is no less valid for that. :thumbup:
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:32 pm

Tim Gillett wrote:The point still holds though. At $99 in no way do Shure themselves promote the SM 57/58 as their premium dynamics.

Was anyone suggesting they did? :crazy:
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Tim Gillett » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:36 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:The point still holds though. At $99 in no way do Shure themselves promote the SM 57/58 as their premium dynamics.

Was anyone suggesting they did? :crazy:

Perhaps not, but by demeaning the SM58 re more expensive/capable mics from other makers, without adding that it's by no means Shure's top dynamic stage vocal mic, which is currently the KSM8*, one can give the uninformed the false impression that the SM58 is the best that Shure has come up with.

* https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/sh ... 8-dualdyne
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby The Elf » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:35 am

Tim Gillett wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:The point still holds though. At $99 in no way do Shure themselves promote the SM 57/58 as their premium dynamics.

Was anyone suggesting they did? :crazy:
Perhaps not, but by demeaning the SM58 re more expensive/capable mics from other makers, without adding that it's by no means Shure's top dynamic stage vocal mic, which is currently the KSM8*, one can give the uninformed the false impression that the SM58 is the best that Shure has come up with.
Wow! That's a leap of logic! :headbang:

To be clear - *I* didn't mean anything of the kind. I'll let Hugh speak for himself...
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:46 am

Tim Gillett wrote:... by demeaning the SM58...

Again... I don't think anyone was demeaning the SM58 (or the 57 for that matter).

My comments were:

1. Don't remove the grilles (doing so risks more harm than good)
2. If you want 57s, then sell the 58s and buy 57s.
3. Personally, if I wanted general purpose dynamics I'd look elsewhere to the 57, with my personal favourite in that role being the M201... But there are many options, some at similar prices, some cheaper, and some more expensive, all with different characteristics.

Just for the record I own one SM57s and one Beta 57... (but no SM58s)... and three M201s.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Funkyflash5 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:24 pm

Just to throw another wrench into things, I prefer an Audix i5 on most things to a 57 or 58 at the same price, and for an extra 20 bucks the Heil pr20ut is another great option to have in the locker, sometimes it's just the ticket on a snare, but it's a more likely candidate for vocals than a 57 or i5, imo. I'd rather have one (or more) of each than a whole slew of identical mics.
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby jodaki » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:02 pm

Sorry guys I didnt mean to start a disagreement.

To be clear: I have better dynamic mics for snare and amps - I’ve got 2 M201s, a Heil PR40 and 20 and an MD441 - I’d take any of them over a 57. I find the 57 fizzy and hyped on gtr amps, though I know other people like them.

My question wasn’t what is the best dynamic mic to use? it was simply a questionable about whether I cold take the top off my 58s and would they then react like 57s.

So Hugh, thanks for getting to the point. Yes Ill probably sell the 58s to a local gigging band or something because I simply dont use them. J
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Re: Substitute SM58 without grille for SM57

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:07 pm

:thumbup: Makes sense.
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