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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby desmond » Sun May 10, 2020 6:22 pm

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Native Instruments sell sampled drum kits that come with libraries of midi patterns.

You mean the ones that require a full version of Kontakt..?

No the sample player comes with the purchased instruments.
You only need the full version of Kontakt if you’re doing your own sampling.

Oh yes, the officially licensed libraries work in Kontakt Player free, my brain temporarily seemed to forget that!

The full version is needed to load any non-officially licensed libraries (like small, free or inexpensive libraries from independent content creators), as they haven't paid the hefty licensing sum NI require to do so.
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby blinddrew » Sun May 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Might have a shufti. Thanks
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby The Elf » Sun May 10, 2020 7:48 pm

blinddrew wrote:I have an unreasonable fear of Kontakt.
I have no idea why!
Get over this! Seriously! ;)

Kontakt will open up a WORLD of possibilities for you. I know it's not the friendliest of plug-ins. There's no nice, friendly, familiar face to greet you. But once you begin to realise what you can do (and I'm not just talking about loading other people's material) then it's like walking into Willy Wonka's garden!

I stopped using NI Battery when I realised that Kontakt wiped the floor with it - and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

But no, friendly it isn't - at first. Take some time to get know it and your faith will be rewarded.

And I'm here if you get stuck! :mrgreen:
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby CS70 » Sun May 10, 2020 8:23 pm

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and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

Out of curiosity, what kind of flexibility are you thinking of? Not that I need any as I leave the real drums to my real drummer, but I wonder what I may be missing out?

I mean with EZ, you have kits, sample variations, and not sure what you mean with third party material, any midi package can be used (for example Toontrack doesn’t have any serious spanish/latin package so I got some from Groove Monkees)? Kits there’s more than enough, lets not forget that uncountable great records have been made with good but choice-limited kits in the great studios of yore..

Or perhaps are you thinking of non-drum stuff as well ? (I understand kontakt even makes coffee on occasion:))
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby garrettendi » Sun May 10, 2020 8:28 pm

I agree with CS70

Sure Kontakt will have the sounds but will it have the features of a proper drum VST

So in my case using MDrummer, that comes with midi loop generation, synthesis and altering of samples, in built effects etc etc. Does Kontakt come with those features

Also: to derail just for a second, I’ve decided I’m a bit more confident about the wav I sent. I just need to dial down the realisticity a bit!
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby blinddrew » Sun May 10, 2020 8:42 pm

Ok, I have just had a shufti at the NI stuff and found this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... e-drummer/
I know it's not as versatile as some of the other options, but:
- I like the sounds.
- It maps to my e-drums.
- It has brushes.
- It's in budget.
That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?
I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

Am I missing anything?
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby desmond » Sun May 10, 2020 8:44 pm

garrettendi wrote:So in my case using MDrummer, that comes with midi loop generation, synthesis and altering of samples, in built effects etc etc. Does Kontakt come with those features

Yes. Kontakt is very deep, and instruments/libraries you can buy in Kontakt format have a *wealth* of intelligence - Kontakt's scripting engine is great and some of the libraries have very very deep and complex programming to implement all kinds of cool features.
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby desmond » Sun May 10, 2020 8:46 pm

blinddrew wrote:That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?

I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

You don't need anything else.

Get all six ABBEY ROAD DRUMMER packs for £179.00 (regular price £534.00)
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ollection/

That's a good price for all six libraries too...
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby garrettendi » Sun May 10, 2020 8:48 pm

blinddrew wrote:Ok, I have just had a shufti at the NI stuff and found this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... e-drummer/
I know it's not as versatile as some of the other options, but:
- I like the sounds.
- It maps to my e-drums.
- It has brushes.
- It's in budget.
That is, I'm assuming it's in budget, unless there's some additional expenditure reqiured? It doesn't look like an expansion pack?
I think I just need the Kontakt Player (I have to break my duck at some point right?).

Am I missing anything?

I know I said I would prefer a proper drum VST (and I would) but look into this: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... o-drummer/

I’ve not listened to the Abbey Road kit but Studio Drummer DOES sound very realistic

I was almost tempted to get it meself
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby garrettendi » Sun May 10, 2020 8:50 pm

Actually DAMN that’s an insane price for all Abbey Road kits
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby blinddrew » Sun May 10, 2020 8:54 pm

I did look at the Studio Drummer, but it wasn't quite doing it for me. Then I saw the Abbey Road stuff and the Vintage appears to tick my boxes. The deal for all 6 kits is great value, but I think I'd be surprised if I ever used a fraction of it.
My current feeling is that the Vintage kit is looking like the right option for me.
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby The Elf » Sun May 10, 2020 8:56 pm

garrettendi wrote:Sure Kontakt will have the sounds but will it have the features of a proper drum VST

So in my case using MDrummer, that comes with midi loop generation, synthesis and altering of samples, in built effects etc etc. Does Kontakt come with those features
I'm thinking beyond just drums. Kontakt really is the business for sample-based instruments. No, it doesn't specialise in drums, and some of the features you will find up-front in a dedicated drum VST will be much harder to find in Kontakt, but they will be there.

Take a look at some of the generative stuff from the likes of Spitfire, for instance, if you want those features. It's mind-boggling what you can do in Kontakt... but friendly it ain't.

I'm not saying it's preferable to a drum VST for an instant fix, but time spent learning how to use it would be time well spent. And it won't close the door on you when you want to go further. So worth getting to know and not being afraid of it.
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby garrettendi » Sun May 10, 2020 8:57 pm

Glad to hear you’ve made the decision! I know all too well how indecisive we can be when given a range of very good choices!

I hope it serves you well

(Get all six... go on... no such thing as too many drums...)

EDIT: That sounds reasonable Elf!
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby The Elf » Sun May 10, 2020 9:09 pm

CS70 wrote:
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and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

Out of curiosity, what kind of flexibility are you thinking of?
Where do I begin?!

But we are out of the realm of just drums here (which is what I'm getting at), so let's leave it for another time. Suffice it to say that I've created entire instruments of my own inside Kontakt (using Kontakt Scripting for the complex stuff), and the possibilities are truly endless.
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Re: Simple virtual drummer instrument

Postby CS70 » Sun May 10, 2020 9:23 pm

The Elf wrote:
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and stuff like EZ/Superior Drummer don't have the flexibility (and not even close to the third-party material) that Kontakt offers.

Out of curiosity, what kind of flexibility are you thinking of?
Where do I begin?!

But we are out of the realm of just drums here (which is what I'm getting at), so let's leave it for another time. Suffice it to say that I've created entire instruments of my own inside Kontakt (using Kontakt Scripting for the complex stuff), and the possibilities are truly endless.

Phew! Cool. I thought you were referring to drums specifically, which are what Drew was discussing of. Kontakt obviously does so much more than drums, that's understood.
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