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NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:43 pm
by John Willett
Announced by Neve this morning - the new 8424 console.

You Tube trailer is HERE

If you want to see and try it in the flesh, they have one on show/demo at The Studio Shop in London. :thumbup:

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Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:54 pm
by Arpangel
John Willett wrote:Announced by Neve this morning - the new 8424 console.

You Tube trailer is HERE

If you want to see and try it in the flesh, they have one on show/demo at The Studio Shop in London. :thumbup:

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Very reasonable at £21,150, wouldn’t mind one, but may be a bit of a waste if we get any sudden downpours and my basement floods.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:45 pm
by tea for two
I sometimes think they should named it Niamh
just to confuse some people as to it's pronounciation
Then have a good giggle.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:12 pm
by Ramirez
Saw this yesterday. If we were ever to change the Amek at the studio (and we may well need to) this could be a candidate. We couldn’t go deskless due to the 24-track tape machine.

However, although ‘cheap’ for a Neve, it only has two mic pres and a couple of bus EQs.
The Trident 68 24-channel would probably make more sense for us.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:49 pm
by Folderol
I'd be totally lost on something like that :cry:

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:09 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
It's been getting a pretty rough ride over at 'the other place' too, from people expecting to be able to track with it without having to spend a shedload more on a big rack or preamps.

I can see their point... And I've noticed a few rather unexpected product design decisions from AMS Neve recently. Interesting times....

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:01 pm
by James Perrett
Having had a quick look at the manual it seems that it isn't really a mixing desk but more of a sophisticated summing device coupled with a monitor controller. You are going to need a whole host of outboard gear to turn it into anything useful. I guess they are aiming it at all the people with a big collection of outboard that want a centrepiece for their studio.

I'd say that there are better alternatives for those wanting to work with a 24 track tape machine.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:12 am
by Zukan
That's pretty much how I see it James. The 500 slots are a sensible addition but there are only 2 slots and I can't determine if they can be expanded on? The manual doesn't state if they can.

I'll wait for the SOS review.......

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:31 am
by Hugh Robjohns
James Perrett wrote:Having had a quick look at the manual it seems that it isn't really a mixing desk but more of a sophisticated summing device coupled with a monitor controller.

I think that's a bit unfair. It ~is~ a mixing console; it has lots of inputs and faders and everything... :-)

But it's not really a recording console in the conventional studio sense.

What it is, is a project studio centre-piece designed for very well-heeled artists who only record one or two sources at a time, but want to mixdown lots of tracks from their DAW while basking in the glory of traditional Neve winged knobs and transformer summing busses!

I'd say that there are better alternatives for those wanting to work with a 24 track tape machine.

There are certainly more appropriate consoles for traditional studio style multitrack recording, for sure. But I don't think that's the market AMS Neve are looking for here.

But for the same (ish) money you could choose from the Audient ASP8024-24 HE, API's Box-II, Trident 78, or the LoopTrotter console, and for rather less you could have the SSL XL-desk...

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:15 am
by tea for two
Hugh Robjohns wrote:project studio centre-piece .. record one or two sources at a time .. mixdown lots of tracks from their DAW

Yep.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:01 pm
by Matt Houghton
Weird — I posted a reply here earlier and it has disappeared... Basically, I said:

Those who are moaning that you can't track through it without adding preamps and EQ are not really Neve customers, are they? A single 1073LB 500-series preamp is somewhere North of £800. Their 8-channel 1073OPX is £3.5k or thereabouts. It's not like Neve don't make consoles with preamps in already if you are prepared to meet the asking price. My guess is that they (the 'moaners') saw the price, then developed expectations that weren't met...

This strikes me as filling a similar market niche as the SSL Matrix — though with some obvious difference (eg. no fader control surface, but it does have recall; 24 conventional input channels, rather than the Matrix's 16 mono/stereo channels.) To some extent also API's The Box, even if that's a different sort of beast. Ie. it's for people with outboard, or who want to choose the character of different channels. Might it have had more 500 slots? Maybe. But plenty of people will be happier having them in a rack beside them, or would prefer 19-inch rackmount gear to 500-series. Or maybe I'm missing something?

Anyway, I'll be checking it out soon, so will report back when I've formed a proper judgment based on experience!

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:30 pm
by MOF
It looks great, if I had the money and space I’d be very tempted. However I have moved over to ITB with minimal outboard these days.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:36 pm
by Dave Rowles
I think it makes sense for a modular approach to studio design. Imaging racking up 2/3 of the 1073OPX with multi-pin connectors. Then you can have them plugged into the desk for mixing or tracking in the studio, but disconnect and take them on location. You're not tied to the desk for tracking, but can enjoy the mixer for routing and summing when you're back in the studio.

Still far too rich for my blood, but I can see the attraction.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:42 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Matt Houghton wrote:My guess is that they (the 'moaners') saw the price, then developed expectations that weren't met...

It's not surprising they developed (un-met) expectations. There were no overt porkies in the marketing blurb, but it all skirted cleverly around the reality and definitely created a misleading impression, IMHO, that it was a conventional console. Even the winged trim knobs at the top of the channel strip create the impression of conventional preamp gain controls -- and that is clearly intentional.

As for the marketing, there are repeated references to derivations from traditional consoles (Genesys Black and 80-Series), and statements about it providing "... everything you need to record, mix, monitor and master music quickly..." and its "...dual-input channel strip allows for seamless switching between recording and mixing inputs without additional patching..."

I doubt there was intentional misdirection, but I do think it's very understandable why there is a bit of a rumpus about it on the other forums... not that most of the complainers were ever really potential customers, of course.

I'm sure it's a great console for its intended purpose and application, though. And I like that they've stuck with the transformer summing bus system which does have a very different sonic flavour to the virtual earth format used in most of its competitors. It's pricey for what it offers in comparison to other small-format consoles, but that badge still carries a premium.

I think if I were in that kind of market, though, I'd probably still favour the Box II... but to be fair, I've not played and heard the 8424 yet.

Re: NEW - Neve console - announced today

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:28 pm
by Matt Houghton
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I think if I were in that kind of market, though, I'd probably still favour the Box II... but to be fair, I've not played and heard the 8424 yet.

Yes, it's lovely, isn't it? Not enough input channels for many studios though. At least, not without some lateral thinking. 24 input channels would cover full-band performances a little more comfortably....