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Recording Studios Are... Pointless / Essential !

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:49 pm
by Forum Admin
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As we know there are plenty of SOS Forum members/guests who rarely ever explore other areas of the website, I think it is worth posting a link to Editor In Chief Sam Inglis' August issue video.

Watch Recording Studios Are... Pointless / Essential !

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:57 pm
by Martin Walker
Brilliantly argued Sam! :clap: :clap: :clap: :mrgreen:


Martin

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:53 pm
by Kwackman
The Nerdy question- those mics look like the old (early 80s) AKG451 range with VR1(or 2) extensions, but they seem too shiny and new to be them. So, what are they?

P.S. Surely we need an anorak emoji?

Re: Recording Studios Are... Pointless / Essential !

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:14 pm
by Sam Inglis
You're quite right -- C451 with VR1 and CK1 capsule. Oddly enough spoken word is about the only thing I actually like it on!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:18 pm
by Eddy Deegan
That was a good watch, I'm enjoying the videos in the "Sam speaks" series :thumbup: :clap:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:27 pm
by blinddrew
World's longest magazine plug! :D
:clap: :clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:36 pm
by MOF
You're quite right -- C451 with VR1 and CK1 capsule. Oddly enough spoken word is about the only thing I actually like it on!
Still used a lot in studios!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:40 pm
by Folderol
All seemed a bit fishy to me :tongue: :thumbup: :clap:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:04 pm
by Sam Spoons
MOF wrote:
You're quite right -- C451 with VR1 and CK1 capsule. Oddly enough spoken word is about the only thing I actually like it on!
Still used a lot in studios!!

I have a couple, almost hobsons choice if I need a Cardioid SDC.....

Re: Recording Studios Are... Pointless / Essential !

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:17 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Sam Inglis wrote:Oddly enough spoken word is about the only thing I actually like it on!

They do work very well on voice. Back in my formative TV sound days we used CK1/451s as standby mics hidden on the presenter desks or by chairs for interviews etc. The mains mics were Sony ECM50s lavaliers at the time which the production people preferred aesthetically... But I almost always preferred the sound of the 451/CK1s and routinely used them for recordings/broadcasts with the ECM50s as the backup!

We later changed to Sennhesier MKE2s for the lavalier mics (often used in pairs) which were a lot better, and the idea of separate standby mics seemed to fade away...

But C451/CK1s on anything musical often sounded bright and 'fierce' to me...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:06 am
by Zukan
Great stuff! Thanks Sam and Knower.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:23 pm
by MOF
But C451/CK1s on anything musical often sounded bright and 'fierce' to me...
I used mine for bench microphones at press calls, haven’t done one of those in years though.
We used them in booms for drama and sitcoms nearly all the time.
I read that they’re used a lot as hi hat and under snare mics and sometimes as overheads in studios.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:30 pm
by The Red Bladder
I once attended a discussion in which Bruce Swedien explained how he recorded a drum kit. It was very revealing and after about a year of practice, I was able to copy his method and get a good drum sound with a small number of mics within five to ten minutes. Over the years I have refined that method and it served me well.

When I see amateurs (or semi-pros BS'ing it) faffing about for over an hour, I think of an old Chinese fable -

There was once a king who loved the graceful curves of the rooster. He asked the court artist to paint a picture of a rooster for him. For one year he waited and still this order was not fulfilled. In a rage, he stomped into the studio and demanded to see the artist.

Quickly the artist brought out paper, paint, and brush. In five minutes a perfect picture of a rooster emerged from his skillful brush. The king turned purple with anger, saying, "If you can paint a perfect picture of a rooster in five minutes, why did you keep me waiting for over a year?"

"Come with me," begged the artist. He led the king to his storage room. Paper was piled from the floor to the ceiling. On every sheet was a painting of a rooster.

"Your Majesty," explained the artist, "it took me more than one year to learn how to paint a perfect rooster in five minutes."

I loved that story so much that when I found a Chinese watercolor of a rooster in a junk shop I bought it. I have since been told that it is worth a good deal of money, but I shall keep it, as it reminds me to learn!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:54 pm
by Tim Gillett
Hugh Robjohns wrote:... They do work very well on voice...

But C451/CK1s on anything musical often sounded bright and 'fierce' to me...

Why would that be?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:14 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Absolutely no idea.... :crazy: