LIkewise sorry Dave, I think we're talking slightly at cross purposes here. I recognise that over-consumption is a huge problem, it was the argument you set up about that being driven by a small percentage of people clamouring for new devices of which they'd only use a fraction of the capability. Whilst that might be true of a very small number of top-end devices, the bulk of the manufacturing and consumption is of much more run of the mill devices that get worked hard to improve productivity - which allows us environmentally beneficial stuff like working from home.ef37a wrote:blinddrew wrote:I still think your numbers are off Dave. We are a service economy supported by China's manufacturing. Huawei has about 200,000 employees, they're not supporting 20 people, they're supporting 200 million.ef37a wrote:I take your point Drew but for every ten people sitting comfortably at home running Teams there are 100,000 out there working for next to sod all making stuff that nobody really needs.blinddrew wrote:The thing is Dave, I don't think your 'edge cases' are as rare as you think.
I completely agree that we need to be more responsible in our consumption, and that manufacturers need to be more responsible in finding ways to prolong product life, but our world turns on technology and our demands have changed.
I have a brand new laptop from work, open a PowerPoint, get an excel macro going and start a Teams call and I'm hitting 50% (at least) processor power. This isn't trinkets to look shiny. It's that progress that allows me to not be sitting on a manky old diesel train for an hour and a half every day.
So yes, we need to be more responsible. But no, it's not all driven by chasing shiny toys.
Sorry Drew, don't really understand that. My meaning is that, rather simplistically, the "Western World" consumes a vastly greater amount of the world's resources compared to the 'undeveloped' world but it is they that are largely suffering the consequences. "We" have to cut down drastically on ALL of our consumption. Meat, frocks, travel both air and surface and the production of 'things we don't really need' At least not as often as we presently do.