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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby blinddrew » Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:26 pm

I have nothing to add on the specific headphones in question (they all being out of my price range) but if these are going to be a major mixing tool I would seriously suggest only buying from an outlet that is happy to take no fault returns.
Headshapes and earshapes are very different and one person's 'all day comfortable' is another's excruciating. So if you can't get to a shop to properly try them on (and even then, there's a difference to what feels comfy in the shops and what still feels comfy after three hours of an evening's work) make sure you're buying from a reputable retailer.
I reckon. ;)
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby mountain lion » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:03 pm

What about pioneer headphones for studio use? Their model names imply they are only for djing?
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby manwilde » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:47 pm

Two things: First, if you really get to know your headphones and how to compensate for their flaws, use them. You should be fine. That, at least, is the theory, which leads to: Second, on any web research on "mixing/mastering headphones", Pioneer doesn´t seem to pop up too often... it´s always the usual suspects.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby uselessoldman » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:00 pm

Headphones are no different to speakers, it depends on the individual and the components of the signal chain. To some a good pair can sound as good as a cheap or expensive pair with little to no difference only the slightest subtle differences. What matters is you as the listener likes what you hear irrespective of anyone else's opinions review or preference. Some like more Bass open middles and screeching highs is there such a thing as balanced considering so called studio monitors come in all sorts of flavours, you can and will get the same issues with any set of headphones, they all have their own character.

You can test your ears for hearable frequencies BUT is there anything similar for clarity and definition? What is the point of spending hundreds of pounds on headphones if your ears are knackered, like mine? It would be great if there was a test or something you could use to gauge your ears on to match the speakers/headphones to suit. Its like playing the guitar through a different set of amp/speaker combi they all sound different, they might all sound great or not, but they will certainly all have heir own characteristics.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby James Perrett » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:29 pm

I found the Sonarworks headphone reviews very helpful when I was looking at headphones recently. Since I'm not a Sonarworks user (and I'm slightly uncomfortable about using eq in the monitor chain) I looked for the headphones with the flattest response without eq correction and came up with the Sennheiser HD600.

I have also heard good things about them from a number of different people whose opinions I trust. I dare say that the more expensive Audeze headphones could sound better but I couldn't justify spending that much on a pair of headphones.

I bought them from Studiocare in Liverpool and so far I'm very happy with them. They have a similar balance to my monitor speakers which means I'm not having to second guess how things will sound on monitors.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby N i g e l » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:44 pm

Mixedup wrote: I'd suggest looking at other planar magnetic models.

planar magnetic headphones seem to be making a resurgence. Different manufacturers make them in different pricebands but a typical review will invariably say they punch above their weight.

Downsides are they are less efficient so you need a good driver like a mixer or other music orientated kit to use them if you demand high volume levels.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby Airfix » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:21 pm

I dare say -- If you really must mix with headphones, mix in mono.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby The Elf » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:46 am

Airfix wrote:I dare say -- If you really must mix with headphones, mix in mono.
Why?
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby Dave Rowles » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:50 am

The Elf wrote:
Airfix wrote:I dare say -- If you really must mix with headphones, mix in mono.
Why?
I agree. No reason for this at all. In fact as so many people listen headphones these days, I'd take pan on headphones being more useful in a way.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby Airfix » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:38 pm

Mixing for headphones is different than mixing on headphones.
Stereo is the magic.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:56 pm

Airfix wrote:Mixing for headphones is different than mixing on headphones.
Stereo is the magic.

Yes, it is at some levels (mostly panning), but since listeners may be either listening on one or the other, most of us are attempting to make our mixes work well on both headphones and loudspeakers.

It's only really a set of small checks and tiny compromises, and stereo can sound magic on both!


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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:24 pm

N i g e l wrote:planar magnetic headphones seem to be making a resurgence. Different manufacturers make them in different pricebands but a typical review will invariably say they punch above their weight.

Downsides are they are less efficient so you need a good driver like a mixer or other music orientated kit to use them if you demand high volume levels.

Must admit I'm quite intrigued by the Avantone Planars. Back in the dear dim days of my youth (early 70s) I had a pair of Wharfedale Isodynamics, which were an early stab at the type and if memory serves me well enough they did sound pretty good. They had a big power requirement as you say and were designed to be plugged into a speaker output rather than a headphone socket.

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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby The Elf » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:45 pm

How many of us buy music that is labelled 'mixed for speakers' or 'mixed for headphones'? :?: ;)

Mixes have to give of their best on any system the end-user chooses. That system may be in their ears, nailed to the wall or placed in the back seat of a car, and may be one speaker or fourty-six, set up well or set up very badly indeed.

Aim for a 'commercially average' mix - not one that purports to favour what you are guessing your audience is listening on.
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby Aled Hughes » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:36 pm

Airfix wrote:I dare say -- If you really must mix with headphones, mix in mono.

Why?

I do most (almost all, really) of my work on headphones (AKG K712 + Sonarworks), in stereo, without problems.

And with minimal cross-referencing on other systems too, if I’m honest - that seems a bit of a wormhole to me where you’re constantly trying to compensate for different quirks on every system, and you can’t try them all. Mono Mixcube, bluetooth speaker and car checks for me.

That said, I’m lucky enough to get to track with amazing (and huge) ATC monitors, so a lot of problems get sorted there and then!
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Re: Please Recomend good headphones for mixing.

Postby RichardT » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:48 pm

Airfix wrote:I dare say -- If you really must mix with headphones, mix in mono.

No way! That would be to shoot myself in the foot.
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