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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri May 07, 2021 10:20 am

To save you RTFMing Tony, the X32 has 16 busses and 16 analogue outputs plus 6 aux outputs (all mono), It's pretty flexible and there are ways of making the switching between selections fairly slick but not as simple as on an analogue desk. It is complicated to set up but so is any digital desk and the number of available faders (20 plus master bus) certainly helps). Things like the 'master channel strip' works very well for me for 'bread and butter' eq and dynamics even if you don't want to use the fx racks (which are fine for me but the more discerning amongst us may find them a bit 'low rent').

There is a new 'Unofficial Behringer Forum' run by a couple of very nice (and very knowledgable) guys here https://behringer.world/index.php, hopefully some of the other guys from the old Berry forums will join in as the current 'Music Tribe' forum is pants and the 'X32 Professional User Group' on facebook is full of ar53'oles and even more unpleasant than GS in it's darkest hour.

If you wanted a look at the X32 at some time Arpy we could maybe do a zoom chat and I'll try to work through it with you (bear in mind my usage is very much done from a simple live setup PoV and my knowledge is far from comprehensive)?
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Fri May 07, 2021 4:05 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:To save you RTFMing Tony, the X32 has 16 busses and 16 analogue outputs plus 6 aux outputs (all mono), It's pretty flexible and there are ways of making the switching between selections fairly slick but not as simple as on an analogue desk. It is complicated to set up but so is any digital desk and the number of available faders (20 plus master bus) certainly helps). Things like the 'master channel strip' works very well for me for 'bread and butter' eq and dynamics even if you don't want to use the fx racks (which are fine for me but the more discerning amongst us may find them a bit 'low rent').

There is a new 'Unofficial Behringer Forum' run by a couple of very nice (and very knowledgable) guys here https://behringer.world/index.php, hopefully some of the other guys from the old Berry forums will join in as the current 'Music Tribe' forum is pants and the 'X32 Professional User Group' on facebook is full of ar53'oles and even more unpleasant than GS in it's darkest hour.

If you wanted a look at the X32 at some time Arpy we could maybe do a zoom chat and I'll try to work through it with you (bear in mind my usage is very much done from a simple live setup PoV and my knowledge is far from comprehensive)?

Thanks for all that Sam, I will undoubtably go digital at some point, maybe just running alongside my existing se-up, see how it goes.
My budget is fair, I’d like one with very good effects, as it may cut down on my use of pedals and racks :blush:
From what you say, I could use outputs as sends, but that depends on how many effects return channels I’ll have.

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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri May 07, 2021 5:44 pm

The X32 has 38 inputs and 22 outputs, all outputs can be assigned to sends and all inputs can be returns. You can't do 'everything' as there are limitations but you can do most things you can think of trying.

WRT onboard fx, the Midas M32 shares the same firmware so they can't be too bad, I gust didn't want to big them up as I use fx as if I was mixing a live band (i.e. sparingly).
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Sat May 08, 2021 8:18 am

Sam Spoons wrote:The X32 has 38 inputs and 22 outputs, all outputs can be assigned to sends and all inputs can be returns. You can't do 'everything' as there are limitations but you can do most things you can think of trying.

WRT onboard fx, the Midas M32 shares the same firmware so they can't be too bad, I gust didn't want to big them up as I use fx as if I was mixing a live band (i.e. sparingly).

I was wondering, are there any digital mixers out there that are noted for having great effects? It seems that most effects on these mixers are assumed to be good, maybe I’m wrong.
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat May 08, 2021 10:49 am

Arpangel wrote:So I have place for a big mixer, if need be, I’m thinking maybe a Midas Venice 32, but it has a fan, that I know will annoy me.

There are ways and means of dealing with fan noise, such as locating the PSU in a different room or out of the way, building some kind of acoustic labyrinth around it, retrofitting quiet replacement fans, or even getting a new passively cooled PSU built by someone like Orchid Electronics. I really don't think it would be too challenging to get the noise as quiet as a modern PC in the same room, or even better.
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Sun May 09, 2021 7:47 am

Thanks Hugh, but the F32 has a built in PSU, not sure what I’d do about that.
I guess a lot of these desks were primarily designed for PA use, where fan noises aren’t so much of a problem.
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby The Korff » Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 am

If you can make it to Ayr in Scotland, someone's just put a 32-channel Soundcraft Series Two (not Series II) with a rebuilt PSU up for sale on FB Marketplace, for the ludicrous price of 200 quid. 8 busses, 8 auxes, 11x2 matrix. That'd keep you busy for a while...
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Wed May 12, 2021 8:20 am

The Korff wrote:If you can make it to Ayr in Scotland, someone's just put a 32-channel Soundcraft Series Two (not Series II) with a rebuilt PSU up for sale on FB Marketplace, for the ludicrous price of 200 quid. 8 busses, 8 auxes, 11x2 matrix. That'd keep you busy for a while...

Thanks, I can’t seem to find it? I’m not on FB though.
HHHmmmm? even by my standards it’s a bit big, and at £200 it would need checking over.
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Wonks » Wed May 12, 2021 8:22 am

You need to be on FB to see items on FB Marketplace.
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Wed May 12, 2021 8:45 am

Wonks wrote:You need to be on FB to see items on FB Marketplace.

Thanks, that’s out then!

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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby The Korff » Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am

Aha! It's listed on eBay too: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144036257835
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Re: Running out of inputs, mixer and/or interface?

Postby Arpangel » Wed May 12, 2021 9:46 am

The Korff wrote:Aha! It's listed on eBay too: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144036257835

Isn’t it crazy, so many incredible bargains out there, big mixers.
I’m interested, but it’s getting up there to examine it.
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