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Re: Mix / arrangement critique, please

Postby Ben Asaro » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:30 am

I am not qualified to comment on the minutia of the production, but I quite liked the performance!
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Re: Mix / arrangement critique, please

Postby lingyai » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:32 pm

I really appreciate these comments, pro and con. I'm still feeling my way as a mixer, so other ears help a lot. That makes this forum an important place for almost-there-but-still-penultimate mixes, so thanks everyone, big time.

I don't lisp in real life but perhaps some sibilance (used a bright mic) combined with other FX makes it sound that way here. This prompts me to go back and see if I might be able to redo my de-essing (move it earlier in the chain, among other things)

Re the drums -- fair enough. As tracked they sounded much like the original. Truth be told, at some point I was bored with working on other parts and had a case of "f***" so I amused myself by slapping a Waves Chris Lord-Alge specialist drum plugin -- hey, bought it, so have to use it, right? ;-) -- on the drum buss, browsed presets, landed somewhere and thought, "That's kind of cool, and it's Chris Lord-Alge, so..." and so left it at that. Another thing to revisit.

Thanks again, all. "But I repeat myself..."
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Re: Mix / arrangement critique, please

Postby blinddrew » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:11 pm

lingyai wrote:I don't lisp in real life but perhaps some sibilance (used a bright mic) combined with other FX makes it sound that way here. This prompts me to go back and see if I might be able to redo my de-essing (move it earlier in the chain, among other things)
It's a weird thing about de-essers that too much de-essing can introduce a lisping sound as a side-effect. It might be worth just backing off what you're currently using and see what that does?
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Re: Mix / arrangement critique, please

Postby lingyai » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:17 pm

blinddrew wrote:
lingyai wrote:I don't lisp in real life but perhaps some sibilance (used a bright mic) combined with other FX makes it sound that way here. This prompts me to go back and see if I might be able to redo my de-essing (move it earlier in the chain, among other things)
It's a weird thing about de-essers that too much de-essing can introduce a lisping sound as a side-effect. It might be worth just backing off what you're currently using and see what that does?

I've not had access to my music PC for a few days but yeah, I want to revisit, look under the hood. First I have to check the instances you mentioned (thanks again).

I suspect actually it just might be a bit of heavy-handed overprocessing, involving but not limted to the de-esser, because the dry track has no lisping. I.e. some interaction amongst
--insufficent de-essing (using a plug which I actually favor less than my usual go-to (Tonebooster's Barricade, it's quite clean);
--the placement of a 1-2 db, 0.9-ish Q, upper mids-boost I'd made;
--a small bit of Microshift (the Soundtoys plug) chorusy-thing;
--and some saturation at the end.

Dunno. There must be 50 ways...

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Re: Mix / arrangement critique, please

Postby CS70 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:05 am

lingyai wrote:I suspect actually it just might be a bit of heavy-handed overprocessing

We all have been there! Definitely worth fixing and developing as it isn't bad at all and you sing well.

Yeah pretty sure there's no lisping in the original track - it did sounds like the classic de-essing mistake. The lisping is most likely due to the fact that the dollops of reverb (or the length of the tail) make the 's' sound very much 'shhhhhhhh', especially in places here it corresponds to the beat and so you stress it more, so it leads you to de-ess or lower them down till they sound funny.

If you have a de-esser on, a much better technique is to ditch it altogether and draw the automation curves by hand/mouse. Listen as a "listener", and when you feel a 's' is odd, stop the playback, zoom in and draw the curves (check google for the shape). Then start again. Takes five minutes more but it's way more controlled than even a well set up de-esser.

Shortening the reverb (or just lowering its level if you want to sound like you're performing in a large hall) would help. On the other side: lisping is never good, but when it comes to reverb, much goes to the style you want to have. There's plenty of hits songs with super-heavy "shhhhhs"... they tend to be of the dreamy or less rhythmic type tough. As the rest of your "50 ways" seem to be well on the mark of the original (i.e. plain, discourse-like delivery in a kinda of realistic and funky sonic environment, very much Paul Simon), the big reverb is probably out of place, especially if you did not do it on purpose. :)
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