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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:42 pm

Sam Inglis wrote:I don't default to using reverb as "glue" but sometimes things recorded in a dry studio environment just benefit from a bit of life and sparkle, and if you use a really short ambience patch, or even just switch on the early reflections and disable the rest of the reverb, you can add quite a lot of this without it sounding "wet" as such.

In fact, if you take this to extremes, a reverb of almost zero duration is in effect an EQ, which is why you can use an impulse response plug-in to do EQ or reverb.

Aha - so your glue tends to be early reflections or even a comb response at extremes. This makes a lot more sense than a 'reverb tail' - you're effectively putting up a few virtual walls nearby your performers, to place them within a space, albeit a fragmentary one.

Makes perfect sense!


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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Zukan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:36 am

Using delay instead of reverb is nothing new but I am finding I am using it more and more to extend the sustain and release components of audio. Works great on vocals that need a trail.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:53 am

The stairwell in our flats has a wonderful reverb but unfortunately I don't have a battery powered device to play back the sound - it is too far away to use an extension cable.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Zukan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:14 am

Still Vibrations wrote:The stairwell in our flats has a wonderful reverb but unfortunately I don't have a battery powered device to play back the sound - it is too far away to use an extension cable.

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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:35 am

Zukan wrote:
Still Vibrations wrote:The stairwell in our flats has a wonderful reverb but unfortunately I don't have a battery powered device to play back the sound - it is too far away to use an extension cable.

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Hi Zukan, is there a battery operated playback device so that I can use the stairwell for creative mixing? I already have portable recording equipment.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:41 am

I've got one of those battery powered PA things that you'd be welcome to borrow if you're in't north?
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Guest » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:08 am

Many thanks for the offer Blinddrew but I live a long way south from you.
And a good playback system like the the Bose S1 is a bit over the top for the amount of use it would get.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Wonks » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:31 am

There are many cheap portable re-chargeable speakers for phones and mp3 players which will give a good, if not 100% accurate, playback sound. This sort of thing:https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MTB55WH/ref=asc_df_B01MTB55WH58090846/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B01MTB55WH&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310879851560&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13446042017036254584&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006552&hvtargid=pla-359911951091

Something you might even use at home as well!
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:10 pm

On further consideration, if I was doing this, I'd probably plug something into my THR10. A little Roland cube type thing might do the job if you know anyone who has one you could borrow?
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:12 pm

Sam Inglis wrote:
Martin Walker wrote:if you use a really short ambience patch, or even just switch on the early reflections and disable the rest of the reverb, you can add quite a lot of this without it sounding "wet" as such.
Thanks for this suggestion Sam, I've got something in progress at the moment that might well benefit from a splash of this at one point. :)
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby DC-Choppah » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:48 am

I like to look for incidental and unique sounds from instruments, like the tap of a pickup on the guitar, or perhaps an unintentional vocal sound or grunt, or something quiet in the background that can be isolated and brought up - unique sounds from the session. Then, create a new 'instrument' , like a hand clap, or shaker from these sounds and 'play it' on top of a part in a musical way so it becomes part of the song. It helps give the song a unique sonic character that later on makes you immediately associate that sound with the song. It makes the song sound totally unique but in a subtle but lasting way.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Bob Bickerton » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:31 am

Another thought...... AKG C411 stick on mic...... you can stick it on just about anything. Not long ago tracked an album that included electric heater and an odd bit of pottery - got good reviews too.

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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Guest » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:46 am

Bob Bickerton wrote:Another thought...... AKG C411 stick on mic...... you can stick it on just about anything.
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A long time ago I heard a broadcast where the British jazz drummer Tony Oxley had contact microphones all over his drum kit, on the cymbals, stands everywhere. It was exceptional electronic music - and played live.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby James Perrett » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:47 pm

Still Vibrations wrote:I seem to remember reading somewhere about an engineer who had a really old cheap, microphone he would sometimes use to mic up amps - he said it had a particular sound he liked.

I've often mentioned that my favourite guitar amp mic is a Sennheiser HD400 earpiece.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby forumuser907531 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:05 pm

Using multiple reverbs and delays is an actual requirement for me. I work in a hybrid environment where all of the input and most of the mixdown is actually performed in the analog domain....so I have a limited supply of effect processors, and in general don't like the "pushed up against the front wall" sound that I seem to be unable to avoid when I'm using the included effects in my DAW, which is now Reason10 (I'm a masochist I guess!)

So, since I'm in a phase of making 80's inspired tracks with some modern elements, I'm using a lot of my Lexicon 480L and PCM 70. A sleeper for stuff like wood rooms, etc the Sony HR MP5, an old TC 2290 (that is going to need some TLC pretty soon) and an Eventide H3000....add to that my pedals: 2 Eventide H9s, a Strymon ElCapistan, a Strymon Deco, a Strymon Timeline and an Ibanez SC10 Chorus from the late 80s....last but not at all least, I have the Waveboy "Audio In" disk for my old EPS 16+ sampler, which allows a mono in/stereo out effect, basically giving me one last rack effect.

My compressor section is even more limited, a pair of Warm Audio WA2As, a Warm Audio WA76, an Amek "channel in a box", along with a very early production model Neve Portico 5012 that I love to run mixes through as well as use to drive the Neve output transformers into non-linearity and the WA2A's tubes into saturation.

I have a cassette deck in my rack as well, an old Tascam 3-head unit, and I like to take the output of (specifically) reverb units and push them through tape, where you can play with record levels, bias, NR (on for record/off for playback, vice versa, etc).

The short story here is that I have a limited amount of effects and colors to create my mixes, and I will often combine them, usually in parallel, but sometimes with a bit (20% or so) of series send in the mix. Using these limited effects and colors creates a cohesive whole that really works for the style of work I've been into for the past 18 months or so.
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Re: Creative mixing....

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:10 am

A spoken female voice drenched in a long UAD AMS non-linear reverb produces a good texture that can be faded in and out under electronic sounds.
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