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Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:29 pm
by blinddrew
Take a bow! :D

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:23 am
by Sam Spoons
But be careful not to shoot somebody :bouncy:

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:40 am
by Urthlupe
Zukan wrote:I'm using just the one..

I know.... :D

As an official old bugger I am ancient enough to have owned the originals.... my god they were crap - for all the world seeming to be made of cardboard... but bizarrely endearing - hooked up to a NAD hifi amp. I must have slung them at some point in the early eighties - replaced with LS35a’s IIRC.

I seem to remember most of us using pairs come to think of it. Must say I find these little yellow devils are a different ballgame.

Loopy

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:53 pm
by ManFromGlass
I humbly stand here much enlightened. I will reconsider a single Mixcube.

There is an interesting thread on the Canadian composers guild about mixing for cellphones including suggestions of where to get cellphone impulse responses to plug into the mix bus of your DAW, as well as links to other in the box solutions so one does not have to transmit the files to one’s car radio or even cellphone for a listen. I can repost any links if there is interest here.

Much grumbling by the older composers of the concept of mixing for cellphone quality. :headbang:

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:04 pm
by CS70
Well keep in mind you don’t mix for the phone, just so that it sounds good there as well.

And as of a car, it’s pretty fun to blast music out and hear how it works.. only don’t do it with your girlfriend on the other seat.. a month ago I had a temp mix and let’s just say the bass was not controlled, the phone connected automatically via Bluetooth and started playing it.. it wasn’t pretty! :-D

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:20 pm
by ManFromGlass
I met a woman last week who only went out with bass players and I think she married one or two. You are lucky she wasn’t in the car with you! :D

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:49 pm
by Dr Huge Longjohns
Just to buck the trend, I use two Mixcubes and can't imagine doing a mix without them now. My mix process goes something like this. Basic rough balance, fx, pan and eq etc on main monitors. Down to mono on Mixcubes for detailed eq and balance. Then Mixcubes in stereo for panning and tweaks. Then main monitors again, sometimes in mono too first. It's impossible to judge bass properly on Mixcubes so I inevitable have to tweak this on the mains. Then I check the mix or master on headphones (with Sonarworks) and finally a little Canford mono speaker (recommended by M Senior) set off to the side of my mix position.

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:31 pm
by The Elf
CS70 wrote:Well keep in mind you don’t mix for the phone, just so that it sounds good there as well.
THIS!!! :headbang:

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:01 am
by Jack Ruston
So yes, there's some merit to the idea of a small, single-coned speaker, that allows you to focus on the midrange. A mono Avantone is never useless. Two placed together, like a boom box isn't a bad idea either. Two spaced wide might be missing the point a little.

One of the things people consider when they reference these speakers, is what the mix will sound like on a small domestic playback system...a radio, TV, boom box etc. What happens when we lose our bass and airy treble? BUT that situation has changed. Most domestic playback (that isn't headphones) now involves things like Sonos speakers, docks, modern tvs, zeppelins etc. And those systems all have a load of top end, and some 'impressive' bass enhancement. A Sonos play5 has frankly stunning levels of apparent low end. And so the challenge now is to judge your lows such that you're not freaking these hyped systems out, and causing excessive vibration. It's not that the midrange doesn't matter now...it matters just as much...it's that we have this new factor to contend with in terms of domestic playback. I say new, but it's like a version of an old hifi system, with the loudness buttons on, and the megabass, but with added drugs.

J

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm
by w oxo cube
So are you thinking that on the whole mixes should be holding back on the low end a little more?

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:02 am
by Martin Walker
Hi w oxo cube!

No, I'm not sure anyone has said that - if anything we are talking about the opposite, with the bass-heavy tracks in mixes having bass harmonics added to them so that the bass is still audible on those tiny speakers/earbuds where the fundamentals may otherwise get lost.

We want our bass end to sound balanced on every system, regardless of its low-end capabilities.


Martin

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:34 am
by Jorge
The Elf wrote:
CS70 wrote:Well keep in mind you don’t mix for the phone, just so that it sounds good there as well.

Martin Walker wrote: We want our bass end to sound balanced on every system, regardless of its low-end capabilities.

I don't understand how a mix with prominent bass lines as well as vocal and instrumental melodic content throughout the audible frequency range can sound good on a live system with an overabundance of subwoofers, a studio system that is flat down to 30 Hz, a hi fi home stereo, a high quality set of mixing headphones, a laptop with external computer speakers, a laptop with its own speakers and a smartphone via speaker or ear buds. If the mix is such that the bass sounds balanced with the mids and highs on the small systems wouldn't the bass necessarily sound overhyped on the headphones or the larger flat or bass-heavy systems? What tricks do you guys use so you can have your cake and eat it too?

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:27 am
by The Elf
Jorge wrote:
The Elf wrote:
CS70 wrote:Well keep in mind you don’t mix for the phone, just so that it sounds good there as well.

Martin Walker wrote: We want our bass end to sound balanced on every system, regardless of its low-end capabilities.

I don't understand how a mix with prominent bass lines as well as vocal and instrumental melodic content throughout the audible frequency range can sound good on a live system with an overabundance of subwoofers, a studio system that is flat down to 30 Hz, a hi fi home stereo, a high quality set of mixing headphones, a laptop with external computer speakers, a laptop with its own speakers and a smartphone via speaker or ear buds. If the mix is such that the bass sounds balanced with the mids and highs on the small systems wouldn't the bass necessarily sound overhyped on the headphones or the larger flat or bass-heavy systems? What tricks do you guys use so you can have your cake and eat it too?
I mix to achieve a 'commercial average'. If my mix sounds good on one system, then it will sound good on any. That doesn't mean it will sound *the same* on any playback system, for obvious reasons!

Get a decent, tonally-balanced mix and it will give of its best on any system you play it back on. No tricks, just carefully managed mixing...

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:58 pm
by Martin Walker
I agree with The Elf - you can create mixes that sound acceptable through ear buds without making the same mix sound dreadful through a club system.

It's all a matter of being aware of how audible the bass end will be through each system, and making sure it sounds good through them all.

The only really tricky sounds are those pure sinewave subs that sometimes get featured in EDM and Dubstep, which would be inaudible through earbuds, but once again, a little upper harmonic contribution wouldn't destroy the club experience, but would make those sub contributions at least audible through the ear buds.


Martin

Re: Avantone MixCube - which is preferable, Mono (1 cube) or Stereo (a pair)?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:03 pm
by Jorge
Thanks, I hadn't thought about the bass harmonics that imply the bass content below the roll-off on ear buds or computer speakers being relatively unobtrusive on a club system. Whether we call that a trick or not, I do suspect your careful finesse and mixing skills are not shared by a good number of commercial mix engineers. I mainly am doing live sound now but sometimes provide between-sets dj music. On some commercially mixed songs in which I can hear the bass lines reasonably well on a laptop speaker, I sometimes find the need to make 5 or 10 dB cuts in the low and midbass when playing them through live PA speakers with even modest subwoofers. I really object to not being able to hear the vocals, horns and piano clearly because the bass is overpowering them. Makes me wonder whether the current fad of overhyped bass in club venues isn't in part a result of people getting used to hearing recordings that were mixed to sound good on bass-light computer speakers or ear buds when they are then played on club systems with much more bass capability.