Re: Youtube normalization vs album master
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:35 pm
If I was to buy you a gift, Martin, it would be a hand held magnifier with lights in it, that is until zoomable holographic projection CD jackets arrive! (next year.....)
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Hugh Robjohns wrote:blinddrew wrote:Regularly! :)Matt Houghton wrote:Do people actually listen to whole albums on YouTube?
That's 'cos you're old... like me. We were brought up with the concept of a body of related music -- ie. the 'album' -- rather than disparate individual tracks.
I am regularly frustrated by my daughters' (both 20-somethings) complete disinterest in, or appreciation of, the concept of an album of related material and the idea of just sitting and listening to one artist's work for 20, 30 or 40 minutes. They live in a 'shuffle' world... and I think they are in the majority these days!
Matt Houghton wrote: It was more about my surprise that people who care about this stuff are using YouTube as the preferred method of delivery...
CS70 wrote:In a way you have it the other way around, there’s no ‘right volume’ for a composition, but it’s the listener that decide what he or she wants
Ramirez wrote:It doesn’t matter that there is an overall change of -5dB or so because you don’t know what the listener’s volume knob at home is set to anyway. They might be listening at 5dB louder than you to begin with...
Zukan wrote:I suggest you get hold of Nugen's Mastercheck and mix to the meter using whatever streaming service targets you load
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Now, as long as YouTube's normalisation process simply reduces the level of the entire album by a consistent 5.4dB (in your case), then there's no problem as the relative level differences and dynamics between the different tracks are maintained as intended.
Hugh Robjohns wrote:Tasukete wrote:...my perception is that the volume I ended up with is basically the same as from commercial albums of different genres, give or take a db.
Perfect. The system works then! ;-)
Hugh Robjohns wrote: But they never will, because they all have their own volume controls and their own individual listening level expectations and requirements. Someone listening late at night, say, isn't going to want the replay level as loud as someone in the day, for example. You can't prescribe an absolute reference listening level for Joe Public. And you can't demand that your music should always be played back louder than someone else's.
Tim Gillett wrote:
Have you checked by how many db YT lowers a range of other peoples' uploads?
Tasukete wrote:What I was saying is that clearly there are parts in the album that are technically too loud and thus youtube turns the whole album down just to be safe (again, it's one entire mix, one video, not separate videos for each track). So technically it's safe but also it makes the entire album sound lower than it should be.
So again my question is whether you know how to reduce these peaks without altering the sound material. I precisely don't want to alter the dynamic range,
I don't want to sacrifice any musicality, I would just like to find a way so that listeners can listen to the album just as they are normally listening to just about anything else. And again, in this case Youtube's normalization isn't doing that because it is taking those really high peaks as a reference and turning down the whole thing down as a result....