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Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:49 am

My Audeze LCD-X has just stopped working and this is a known and common problem. The drivers fail and need replacing. Can't say I'm impressed with this as the cans are only three years old and have only had studio use. Anyways, the cans have been sent for repairs and until they return I am stuck with deadlines that I can't meet as I do not have a decent secondary pair of cans.

Clearly, I need a backup pair of headphones. I am after something that has a very neutral sound and is light on the head. It will be for mixing so need for isolation cans.

Budget is not decided but something at around the 300-500 squids mark would be acceptable.

I have looked at the NDH20 but not sure about them and would like a demo unit before I commit as there are no sensible reviews available on this set yet.

I only ever got on with the 712s when it comes to AKG. I'm not a general fan of AKG cans as they tend to be bright and hit and miss on the mids to highs. The 812 is too expensive for what it is and I have not tried their flagship cans yet so can't comment on the 872s.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Wonks » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:39 am

Do you want to borrow my 712s? I can run them over for you.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:40 am

Dave also offered his 702s I think but TBH I need a secondary pair. Might take you up on this as I do have a ton of deadlines to meet.

Any thoughts on a pair that would suit my needs?
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Wonks » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:45 am

I've got a pair of 702s as well, and they do sound very similar to the K712s, although the bass end isn't quite as extended.

Scan normally have refurbished 702s for £74. https://www.scan.co.uk/products/akg-k702-open-back-over-ear-headphones-black-manufacturer-refurbished

Mine were refurbed ones and you couldn't tell them from new.

Always worth it to have a back-up set for that price.

Don't forget that being AKGs they'll need some running-in first.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:48 am

I wish I had bought a couple of pairs when they had the 712s on a deal.

I might go for the 702s but wanted something similar to the LCD-X so I can switch projects without having to acclimatise myself to new cans.

Has anyone tried the NDH20s yet?
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:55 pm

Looks like Iestyn's coming over with a Stax and a valve amp.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Aural Reject » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Zukan wrote:Looks like Iestyn's coming over with a Stax and a valve amp.

Slumming it, eh? :bouncy:
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:16 pm

lol
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Hrodulf » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:45 pm

If you use our calibration, then the Neumann NDH20 should be right up your alley. We recently reviewed them - https://sonarworks.com/blog/neumann-ndh ... ne-review/

The stock tonality is a bit too fun, but the driver is super well-engineered, so it takes calibration like a champ and you get true 20-20k extension with 0.X% THD.

Needless to say I bought the review pair. It has replaced the Oppo PM-3 as my stationary can.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:53 pm

Thanks. Interesting review.

I am trying to find a like for like comparable and at that price point but I can't.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Zukan » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:57 pm

I'd be interested to read any reviews on Rosson Audio Design headphones. Not cheap though.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Hrodulf » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:12 pm

Focal Listen Pro, Beyerdynamic DT1770 seem like the usual suspects from pro stuff, if you need closed backs. The Beyer didn't impress me, felt like a DT770 cosmetic facelift with no technical improvement. I did measurements for the French AudioFanzine and their listening impressions agreed the graphs - https://fr.audiofanzine.com/casque-stud ... riche.html

As for Focal Listen Pro, it's not bad, but I prefer the Neumann, as it's more comfy and better made (however Listen Pro is miles better than Spirit Pro, which cracked like crazy).

For open backs a calibrated 2nd hand HD800 is a nice value proposition, if you don't need super clean sub-bass. The thing is a microscope on its own, but treble peaks make it an ear drill.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby John Willett » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm

The new Austrian Audio cans look interesting :thumbup:

Austrian Audio is all ex AKG employees (except one person) and it's all "made in Austria".

Info here:-
https://austrian.audio/produkt-kategorie/headphones/

Looks very interesting and I hope SOS will be reviewing. :thumbup:

They do both over-ear and on-ear versions.

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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby MOF » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:23 pm

Sennheiser 600 or 650, I tried them and nearly bought them but felt the low mids were a bit hyped compared to the 540 pair that I’ve got, one driver distorts on low bass and you can’t get spares now. The 700 and 800 are supposedly flatter but more expensive and I won’t buy without trying first.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Hrodulf » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:27 pm

John Willett wrote:The new Austrian Audio cans look interesting :thumbup:

Austrian Audio is all ex AKG employees (except one person) and it's all "made in Austria".

Info here:-
https://austrian.audio/produkt-kategorie/headphones/

Looks very interesting and I hope SOS will be reviewing. :thumbup:

These do look great! So far they've been flying under the radar for me.

Oh, as for Alex Rosson's new headphone outfit - performance should depend on whomever he's partnering up with.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby John Willett » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:28 pm

MOF wrote:Sennheiser 600 or 650, I tried them and nearly bought them but felt the low mids were a bit hyped compared to the 540 pair that I’ve got, one driver distorts on low bass and you can’t get spares now. The 700 and 800 are supposedly flatter but more expensive and I won’t buy without trying first.

The OP says "need for isolation cans", so open cans are a no-no.

Unless - it was a post mistake and he meant "no need for isolation cans" ???

In which case the HD 600 are an excellent choice. :thumbup:
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby MOF » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:41 pm

The OP says "need for isolation cans", so open cans are a no-no.

Unless - it was a post mistake and he meant "no need for isolation cans" ???

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I am after something that has a very neutral sound and is light on the head. It will be for mixing so need for isolation cans.
I read it and mentally put in "no" before "need", I think that's what was meant as closed cans are usually heavier.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby John Willett » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:50 pm

Zukan wrote:I wrote this John:

'It will be for mixing so need for isolation cans.'

Chill on the shrooms buddy.

I took this you meen you *do* need isolation cans, that's what it actually says - if you wanted open cans you would have said there was no need for isolation cans.

That's why I was confused.

Actually, I am still confused.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby Wonks » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:54 pm

The Audeze LCD-X and Eddies' previous K712s are both open backed.

So I'm confused.
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Re: Headphone recommendations...

Postby R_A » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:05 pm

Zukan wrote:My Audeze LCD-X has just stopped working and this is a known and common problem. The drivers fail and need replacing. Can't say I'm impressed with this as the cans are only three years old and have only had studio use. Anyways, the cans have been sent for repairs and until they return I am stuck with deadlines that I can't meet as I do not have a decent secondary pair of cans.

That's very disappointing. Especially since you've had a bit of a bad run of luck with kit lately. Maybe play it safe and go for some HD650? I've worn my pair everyday for the past 10 years and they're still in good nick. Sensibly priced and no surprises from Senheiser.

My only concern is that they might be a bit bass light for hip-hop / urban styles?
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