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Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:16 am
by Mike Stranks
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Ariosto wrote:OK here is the link

That's arriving here in mono too, I'm afraid.

Do you have a goniometer plugin on your system? What does that look like when playing your source 'stereo' file?

H

I think we've now established there isn't one! Parallel mono...

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:18 am
by Ariosto
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Ariosto wrote:OK here is the link

That's arriving here in mono too, I'm afraid.

Do you have a goniometer plugin on your system? What does that look like when playing your source 'stereo' file?

H
I've found it in Reaper and tried it. It is now showing a lot of activity on left and right. That's after I down loaded a ping pong pan plugin and set it at 100%

Both channels are going up and down much more, something I noticed did NOT happen before. So maybe I'm now (after a new render) with a proper stereo file. I will up load to SC and give a link.

Many thanks!

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:31 am
by Ariosto
Sam Spoons wrote:In Reaper's default GUI the pan control is in both the track section and the mixer section.
Thanks Sam. I'm not on the default GUI as I changed to one of the other options that I liked. Maybe that's the problem!

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:35 am
by Ariosto
I think this is it!

https://soundcloud.com/user-607637178/s ... ter-050819

Hopefully now in stereo ...

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:53 am
by Hugh Robjohns
Nope. Still mono.

H

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:47 pm
by Ariosto
Hugh Robjohns wrote:Nope. Still mono.

H
Oh no! I'm completely baffled!

How about this ...
https://soundcloud.com/user-607637178/r ... out-050819

I took this from a basic mode recording from the stereo out on the Mix-Pre.

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:12 pm
by N i g e l
Ariosto wrote:I am looking (maybe) for somewhere in London that has a really good piano and acoustic as we may be thinking along the lines of some piano solos along with some songs with a tenor voice. But it costs too much in commercial studios and we've been down that road before, once successfully and once when it was a disaster (mainly due to a difficult violinist ...)

I dont know London at all but I imagine its big enough to have low cost public access pianos (Im thinking of a Library with a large music department rather than painted street pianos ! ).

There must be some lovely grand pianos sat on stages in halls, not being used for most of the time; you only have to ask (and maybe donate to the tuning fund). Granted some of the pianos will be looked after by jobs-worths whilst others will be only to willing to help.

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:37 pm
by Tim Gillett
Ariosto wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:Nope. Still mono.

H
Oh no! I'm completely baffled!

How about this ...
https://soundcloud.com/user-607637178/r ... out-050819

I took this from a basic mode recording from the stereo out on the Mix-Pre.


Still mono.

For comparison here's a stereo recorded performance of the original Granados piece you posted. Press your mono button and hear how the sides collapse into the centre.
https://youtu.be/j-6ZHcJO2zM

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:38 pm
by Hugh Robjohns

Nope. Still definitely mono. Could it be the SoundCloud coder settings when you upload?

H

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:25 pm
by hobbyist
Ariosto wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:Hi Ariosto, nice playing. Is it meant to be in mono?
Thanks. Yes, she is a good pianist. It's actually stereo but the mics were very close in AB. On the Mixpre-3 I took the split tracks 3 & 4 but maybe I should have used the stereo tracks 1 & 2. I suppose I could widen the tracks also to give it a more stereo effect - but in some ways the piano is like most instruments and pretty much mono on its own. I think I probably go for the sound and I don't bother too much about the stereo effect.

It is hard to do a piano in stereo and have it sound natural.

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:24 pm
by Ariosto
Tim Gillett wrote:

Still mono.

For comparison here's a stereo recorded performance of the original Granados piece you posted. Press your mono button and hear how the sides collapse into the centre.
https://youtu.be/j-6ZHcJO2zM

Thanks. Yes, and it's a lovely performance too.

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:04 pm
by Ariosto
Sorry to be a pain - but I've now panned each mono channel hard left and hard right and the goniometer is showing an entirely different display (more like clouds) and the rendered file is playing with much more separate movements L and R - so I think this must be OK now.

https://soundcloud.com/user-607637178/t ... anned100lr

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:37 pm
by Mike Stranks
You're not a pain... all part of the learning process.

And... it's.... STEREO! :bouncy:

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:51 pm
by Ariosto
Mike Stranks wrote:You're not a pain... all part of the learning process.

And... it's.... STEREO! :bouncy:

That's wonderful news! The problem was that I always assumed the renders were stereo because I rendered the files as stereo from dual mono. Ever since I've had the MixPre-3 I have found it difficult to know which files to use and even the stereo out in the basic mode was to my surprise (and I had read the instructions) not in fact a stereo file, although they said it was.

In my old Tascam days the files came out as stereo (or mono summed) amd there was no problem but these over complicated recorders are a nightmare. What with having to have fingers the size of a gnats to operate the touch screen and having something sharp like a toothpick to switch it on and off, it's not very well designed. Far too small and fiddly - but on the plus side the sound is pretty good. However, i think I would overall have been better off with another Tascam or one of the advanced Zooms. Oh well, I'll just have to live with it.

Re: PIANO RECORDING

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:27 pm
by Tim Gillett
Yes it's stereo now, but strangely at 2:00 it goes mono, reverting to stereo at 2:13 for (I think) the rest of the piece.