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Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Joe S » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:33 pm

Hi everyone
First time poster here and I'm really stumped...
I recorded a few bands a month or so ago and it was a pretty easy job - portable recorder taking stereo from desk, quick eq, compression in DAW and send to editors to add to video.
But the video editor found that while the mix sounds decent and loud in headphones, monitors, laptop etc. It sounds horrendous on phone speakers!
Like not just bad, it's inaudible.
I've never encountered anything like this before and I've tried everything but nothing seems to work.
This was supposed to be a quick job and none of us were being paid for it so I'm pretty stressed out about it.
I've left a link below so you can hear it.
Any help greatly appreciated!
https://youtu.be/QRn1afGXT_c
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Exalted Wombat » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:11 pm

Youve got some serious mono-compatibility problems here! (Actually it sounds pretty bad in stereo too.) For a quick fix, try flipping the polarity of one channel
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby hobbyist » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:47 pm

Joe S wrote:Hi everyone
First time poster here and I'm really stumped...
I recorded a few bands a month or so ago and it was a pretty easy job - portable recorder taking stereo from desk, quick eq, compression in DAW and send to editors to add to video.
But the video editor found that while the mix sounds decent and loud in headphones, monitors, laptop etc. It sounds horrendous on phone speakers!
Like not just bad, it's inaudible.
I've never encountered anything like this before and I've tried everything but nothing seems to work.
This was supposed to be a quick job and none of us were being paid for it so I'm pretty stressed out about it.
I've left a link below so you can hear it.
Any help greatly appreciated!
https://youtu.be/QRn1afGXT_c


How did they sound live?

Where did you get the stereo from the mixer?? And How?

Did the video guy listen to the original without quick eq and compression? How did that sound?

Not completly sure what you mean by phone speakers but if it is what I presume they are then do'H!

Do you mean inaudible as too low to hear?
Or unintelligible as loud but can't understand it?

If you were not paid why are you stressed?
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:52 pm

Joe S wrote:...it was a pretty easy job - portable recorder taking stereo from desk, quick eq, compression in DAW and send to editors to add to video.

The Wombat is spot on, you have somehow managed to produce a stereo signal which has one side polarity-inverted.

It could have been caused by a mis-wired balanced cable from the desk in your source recording, or you could have done it in the DAW by accident...or any of a dozen more complicated reasons....

I'm surprised you didn't notice when you were working on it in your DAW though, as it produces the classic 'ears being sucked out' kind of effect on speakers and headphones! It's really nasty to experience here at Robjohns Towers! ;-)

For the future, find out if your DAW has a phase-meter display. IF it has, learn how to use it... and if not, invest in a metering plugin which has a phase meter at the very least, and learn how to use that! That way, you'll have a visual warning of errors like this, even if you can't hear them (and not everyone can hear this kind of polarity-inversion issue -- they either don't notice at all, or think it just sounds 'wide'.)

But the video editor found that while the mix sounds decent and loud in headphones, monitors, laptop etc. It sounds horrendous on phone speakers!

Trust me -- it sounds horrendous on speakers and headphones too...

Like not just bad, it's inaudible.

Yes, when you have a dual-mono (very narrow stereo) source like this, if one channel is polarity-inverted and you then sum left and right together to make mono -- as many mobile phones will -- then the two channels essentially cancel each other out and it all goes very quiet indeed!

I've never encountered anything like this before and I've tried everything but nothing seems to work.

All you need to do is go back to you DAW and flip the polarity (phase) of one channel -- it doesn't matter which one -- and then re-export it for your video editor. Alternatively, your editor can probably flip the polarity (phase) of one channel in his editing software. It would be worth asking as that would avoid the export/import process and save a lot of time.

It's a very easy to fix, anyway, so no need for stress. 8-)

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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby CS70 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 pm

Yep, just flipped the mono switch while listening and the level went down a lot.
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Joe S » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:16 pm

Thanks guys!
You were right about the phase, took me 5 seconds to fix!
Don't know why I never thought of that.
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Exalted Wombat » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:04 am

Looking at my answer and Hugh's, guess which one of us is more accustomed to being paid by the word?

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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:17 am

:lol: I wish!
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Dr Huge Longjohns » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:30 am

Wait? Hugh gets paid?
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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Rich Hanson » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:38 am

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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby blinddrew » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:52 pm

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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:16 pm

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Re: Mix sounding EXTREMELY different on phone speakers.

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:44 pm

:D The only way to guarantee the best integrity money can buy... :lol:
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