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Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:45 pm
by CS70
Dr Huge Longjohns wrote:Why not go straight to source to see what the man himself does!!! The GJ technique is essentially THREE mics, not four. That's the whole point really. Once you put a close snare mic in you're sort of defeating the object to a certain extent.


Why? He does say that he occasionally uses a snare mic.

The point, as I've always seen it, is that with the side mic you get two "angles" of drums - so you get reflections that color the sound (from mid range up) differently than having the overheads in the usual all top position.

Also, it colors the sound more: due to the position of the side mic and the idea that the snare has the same distance from the two mics (which is nothing different than any technique using two overheads, btw), you will always get quite a bit of room. Which is good when you have a good room and maybe the band playing all together. With more modern techniques overheads you can get them *very* low and reduce the signal to reflection ratio much more dramatically.

Nothing of this is changed by having a snare or a kick mic..

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:44 pm
by blinddrew
Hugh Robjohns wrote:He also states that he pans the 'overheads' to half left-right rather than full width.
Just me and Glyn then... ;)

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:56 pm
by The Elf
blinddrew wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:He also states that he pans the 'overheads' to half left-right rather than full width.
Just me and Glyn then... ;)
:lol:

If you want an example of how weird Glyn's drum panning can be, try 'When the Levee Breaks'. Very odd! I suspect the reason he pulled the panning in is because the drums were often off-centre.

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:30 am
by blinddrew
Cheers Elf, will give that another listen with that in mind. :)

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:55 am
by mammy
You asked the hi hat.listen me.hı hat level should not be high.you can feel it in the mix.solo the hi hat and close the solo and listen the mix.then you adjust your hi hat volume level.if you hear it in the mix level is ok. Hi hat eq tip :cut until 250 hz and boost 15 khz about 10db .you will see the difference .and dont forget .use delay and reverb.finally if the hi hat Sss sounds is very high you can add de esser to the hi hat channel.

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:06 pm
by Darren Lynch
blinddrew wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:He also states that he pans the 'overheads' to half left-right rather than full width.
Just me and Glyn then... ;)

To my ears, drum romplers such as EZ et al gain a hint more realism by reducing their stereo width. Also, hard panned guitars suddenly have a slither of space to play in. So that's three of us. Glyn's still the best. We are his teaboyz.

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:21 pm
by blinddrew
Darren Lynch wrote:Glyn's still the best. We are his teaboyz.
I think I might aspire to one day being able to be in the pile of rejected applicants for that post! :)

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:12 pm
by Dr Huge Longjohns
If you want an example of how weird Glyn's drum panning can be, try 'When the Levee Breaks'. Very odd! I suspect the reason he pulled the panning in is because the drums were often off-centre.

I think it was Glyn's brother Andy that recorded this track and the whole Led Zep IV album, Elf?

EDIT: found this on Wiki about how Andy did it: "When the Levee Breaks" comes from a blues song recorded by Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy in 1929. The track opens with Bonham's heavy unaccompanied drumming, which was recorded in the lobby of Headley Grange using two Beyerdynamic M 160 microphones which were hung up a flight of stairs; output from these were passed to a limiter...."

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:20 pm
by Martin Walker
I suspect everyone reading this thread will enjoy this: The TRUTH Behind Led Zeppelin: When The Levee Breaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYDDX1DHDU


Martin

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:39 pm
by Dr Huge Longjohns
Yeah, to get that much delay naturally you'd have to have a hallway the size of Wembley Arena.

Re: Glyn Johns mixing techniques???

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 pm
by The Elf
Dr Huge Longjohns wrote:I think it was Glyn's brother Andy that recorded this track and the whole Led Zep IV album
You live and learn!

I do know that Headley Grange was where Genesis wrote 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'!