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Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:46 pm
by Sam Spoons
Yes it does but the overheads pick up a more natural amount of resonance, the close mic picks up much more and need to be controlled or it sounds unnatural. A gate can help avoid muddiness. I prefer the sound of a kit miked with overheads and kick/snare mics but when the environment or nature of the band make that impossible close mics are necessary.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:07 am
by ManFromGlass
I have a timpani sample with a huge ring off that I apply a plugin from boz digital called Transgressor. It gives fantastic control over the attack or in my case, the ring off.
https://www.bozdigitallabs.com/plugins/
I don’t know if Cakewalk is Mac or PC. I’m on a Mac. I’m not sure if Boz’s plugs are multi platform.
It sounds like you are looking for something along these lines. His YouTube’s are very clear about how simple his plugins are to use.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:21 am
by TNGator
Wonks wrote:Bu that sound is part of a real live drum kit unless they've got massive amounts of physical damping. On its own it sounds wrong. As part of a full kit it sounds natural and real.

I'll have a look at those and see if i can dampen (or kill) that trailing end. Really hate it to be honest.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:23 am
by TNGator
ManFromGlass wrote:I have a timpani sample with a huge ring off that I apply a plugin from boz digital called Transgressor. It gives fantastic control over the attack or in my case, the ring off.
https://www.bozdigitallabs.com/plugins/
I don’t know if Cakewalk is Mac or PC. I’m on a Mac. I’m not sure if Boz’s plugs are multi platform.
It sounds like you are looking for something along these lines. His YouTube’s are very clear about how simple his plugins are to use.

Just looking at that now. Seems like its just what I looking for. I see there is a trial version. Thanks for sharing bro :) :bouncy:

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:32 am
by blinddrew
The other thing you could try is a slow acting compressor. Set it to allow the attack and initial boom to come through but then clamp down on the tail. Can be a bit more subtle than a gate.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:37 am
by The Elf
blinddrew wrote:The other thing you could try is a slow acting compressor. Set it to allow the attack and initial boom to come through but then clamp down on the tail. Can be a bit more subtle than a gate.
You could also follow it with a gate - the compressor in this context will help the gate do its job.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:43 am
by TNGator
blinddrew wrote:The other thing you could try is a slow acting compressor. Set it to allow the attack and initial boom to come through but then clamp down on the tail. Can be a bit more subtle than a gate.


I had given this a quick try but wasn't getting the hang of it. But its an option worth chasing though.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:55 am
by TNGator
The Elf wrote:
blinddrew wrote:The other thing you could try is a slow acting compressor. Set it to allow the attack and initial boom to come through but then clamp down on the tail. Can be a bit more subtle than a gate.
You could also follow it with a gate - the compressor in this context will help the gate do its job.


Sorry...my goof. I didn't read your post properly. No I didn't actually try this. So the gate followed by a compressor. OK..will give that a try. Thanks bro.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:06 pm
by The Elf
TNGator wrote:
The Elf wrote:
blinddrew wrote:The other thing you could try is a slow acting compressor. Set it to allow the attack and initial boom to come through but then clamp down on the tail. Can be a bit more subtle than a gate.
You could also follow it with a gate - the compressor in this context will help the gate do its job.
Sorry...my goof. I didn't read your post properly. No I didn't actually try this. So the gate followed by a compressor. OK..will give that a try. Thanks bro.
Wrong way around.

In this context, a compressor with a slow attack/quick release will increase the dynamic range, and this can help you find a suitable threshold for the gate.

So, compressor first, gate second.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:29 pm
by Sam Spoons
Don't lose sight of the fact that getting it right at source is always better than fixing it in the mix. Is there any reason why you can't simply use more appropriate tom samples?

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:45 pm
by TNGator
Sam Spoons wrote:Don't lose sight of the fact that getting it right at source is always better than fixing it in the mix. Is there any reason why you can't simply use more appropriate tom samples?

To be honest Sam i wouldn't disagree with you at all in relation to the "fix it in the mix" mentality. I think we are all on that page for sure. Yes you're right, I'll keep looking for a better tom plug in. But so far, what Ive got in my downloads library all seems to have that trailing end. So if i dont find a better sound it would be good to know that I do at least have options of somehow sculpting the sound of what I have. If I can make the tom sound Im looking for I can always save it as a custom kit.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:49 pm
by Sam Spoons
:thumbup:

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:50 pm
by ManFromGlass
another thing that might be driving you crazy is the pitch of the toms clash with the key of the tune. I often don’t realize this about my drum choices and then the drums bug me for a reason I can’t put my finger on.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:30 pm
by TNGator
ManFromGlass wrote:another thing that might be driving you crazy is the pitch of the toms clash with the key of the tune. I often don’t realize this about my drum choices and then the drums bug me for a reason I can’t put my finger on.

You know its a funny thing...but its something we never consider. We know we have to tune the guitar and the bass. We know we have to play those instruments in the right key and the right chords. But not being a drummer, tuning drums is something that never occurs to me. I do actually try to use the tuning knob on the drums sometimes. Sometimes it kills but other times it works. But sadly in this instance the tuning trick isnt doing it :( But great suggestion bro. Ta.

Re: Do I need a Gate for this?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:17 pm
by TNGator
TNGator wrote:
ManFromGlass wrote:another thing that might be driving you crazy is the pitch of the toms clash with the key of the tune. I often don’t realize this about my drum choices and then the drums bug me for a reason I can’t put my finger on.

You know its a funny thing...but its something we never consider. We know we have to tune the guitar and the bass. We know we have to play those instruments in the right key and the right chords. But not being a drummer, tuning drums is something that never occurs to me. I do actually try to use the tuning knob on the drums sometimes. Sometimes it kills but other times it works. But sadly in this instance the tuning trick isnt doing it :( But great suggestion bro. Ta.

Actually guys. Did anyone ever try taking a mounted tom sound you like and tune it down to simulate a floor tom? Its really the floor tom sound Im having problems with. The mounted tom single shots are ok by and large.