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Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:03 pm
by jellyjim
Hi

All other things beign equal, which is the lesser of two evils; monitors too close together (just over a metre, tweeter to tweeter) or not being sat on one apex of the equilateral triangle formed by said monitors and yer noggin? Closer in that is, rather than further out.

Jim

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:22 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
I assume you will be on the mid line between the speakers for both situations? That being the case, I prefer to be slightly inside the triangle, rather than well outside it.

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:27 pm
by jellyjim
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I assume you will be on the mid line between the speakers for both situations?

Correct

That being the case, I prefer to be slightly inside the triangle, rather than well outside it.

My gut says that too. How close is too close for monitors? The distance between the monitors, that is, not me and the monitors.

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:32 pm
by Sam Spoons
I've noticed better stereo imaging if the third point of the triangle is just behind my head, meaning my ears are exact in line with the axis of the respective tweeters. Especially so with my small WA LS3 monitors (LS5/3A clones).

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:38 pm
by jellyjim
Sam Spoons wrote:I've noticed better stereo imaging if the third point of the triangle is just behind my head, meaning my ears are exact in line with the axis of the respective tweeters. Especially so with my small WA LS3 monitors (LS5/3A clones).

Yes I've seen that recommended too.

Something that happens often is where I'm working at a keyboard that's off to one side (because of space limitations) and you end up effectively working with just one monitor for ages as that's closest to you! Though that's only when writing, not during a mix.

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:17 am
by James Perrett
I tend to have my monitors set wider than recommended as I feel more immersed in the sound that way and I can always push my chair back to hear a different perspective. However, the monitors I use (LS3/5a's and Tannoy dual concentrics) have excellent stereo imaging so I'm not sure whether that would apply to monitors without such good stereo imaging.

Re: Monitoring, which is the lesser of two evils?

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:39 am
by Eddy Deegan
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I assume you will be on the mid line between the speakers for both situations? That being the case, I prefer to be slightly inside the triangle, rather than well outside it.

For what it's worth, I have a completely non-qualified opinion.

I'm a much better musician than I am an engineer, but I know good from bad and trust what my ears tell me. Empirically, I agree with what Hugh said above, but I couldn't tell you why.

I've experienced something not dissimilar in an acoustic environment too. It would take a waffly subjective explanation which would be boring, probably make no sense anyway and I don't have the means to justify it in any technical sense, but long story short the pianist usually gets placed outside the orchestra (I'm a pianist, and many years ago used to do it with orchestras) and some locations relative to the group are worse than others.

I'm extrapolating a bit from that but the gist is respect the magic triangle. Better in it than out.

Also, never go boozing with the brass section afterwards if you have a performance the day after.