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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

Postby CS70 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:57 pm

tea for two wrote:K701 maybe that's why. Also my ears : things hurt my ears nowadays.

Just listened on the LCD-X and I can confirm, no prominent hi-hats at all. It sound like a record should - i.e. you forget it's record and you just listen to the music.

It's definitely a vocal-first mix though - feels very modern as most pop songs nowadays are mixed that way.
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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

Postby tea for two » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:05 pm

2nd listen on bass heavy cans House of Marley.

Still thin mix.
Still thin hihats ride thin toms.
Possibly partially because of O2R digital recording desk.

The arrangement :
samey thin sounds chosen occupying similar range cluttering getting in each others way
(guitars keys harmonica backing vocals JT's voice).

This won who knows why ?
Perhaps because the engineer made it Not sound a mess by simply thinning everything.
Perhaps because selectors thought this is the cutting edge on digital desk.


Now compare to this just right sounding mix.
Recording medium has a little something to do with it.

Listen to the fullness of sound.
There's no thinness.
Fine choice of sounds which help the other sounds.
Fine arrangement.
Plenty going on even more than JT's song.


1975 Leon Haywood I wanna do something freaky
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OZux6hp1Q


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I understand with the gear many of us have,
we are more likely to get the thin sound of JT's song.

Still i think
we can choose sounds carefully (drums, keys, guitars, horns, strings, backing vocals)
we can consider the pitch, tone, range of our voice and which sounds complement
we can consider arrangements on how best fit these sounds
(consider ourselves a chef)
we can consider where on the guitar keyboard we will play our riff our harmonies solos

enabling our song to sound fuller lesser cluttered.


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One note on hihats.

Some styles obviously have hihats as part of the style.

Some songs in other styles can just require keeping tempo with hihat pedal.
For such songs I think it's unnecessary to do anything else on hihats,
thus freeing up clutter,
freeing up hands brain to do other things on drums.
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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

Postby DC-Choppah » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:28 am

tea for two wrote:Now compare to this just right sounding mix.
Recording medium has a little something to do with it.

Listen to the fullness of sound.
There's no thinness.
Fine choice of sounds which help the other sounds.
Fine arrangement.
Plenty going on even more than JT's song.


1975 Leon Haywood I wanna do something freaky
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OZux6hp1Q


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Much thanks for this! Love it!

I hear what you are saying.

More instruments than the JT mix. More separation needed in the mix, and more achieved. I can hear it all. Really nice. Sounds great on my system. Gonna try it on some others.

Love sharing references mixes.

Thank you kindly Mr. Tea
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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

Postby DC-Choppah » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:34 am

OK, here is another mix I love: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GTQr7J8Wa4


But listening compared to the "I Wanna do something freaky to you" mix I am hearing how it could be improved.

Thanks again Tea Man!
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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

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Re: Why did this mix receive a Grammy for engineering?

Postby Chet Leeway » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:32 am


An interesting comparison is Daft Punk "Get Lucky", grammy winner for engineering in 2014. An updated take on that 70s funk sound. Much fuller bottom end and more forward vocals (without that hideous old reverb).
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