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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby blinddrew » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:23 pm

I have made changes. I am not sure they are all good changes.
I've put a bit of multi-band compressor on the jangly bit of the electric guitar part. I've also got a ducker on there triggered by the vocal. In combo I think this is providing a bit more separation.
I've added a smidge more vocal to the main room reverb as well, and I've copied and pasted the last chord before the bridge to give it a bit more interest as well as making the bridge kick in more.
I'm happy with all that.
I've also tried to do some stuff with an acoustic guitar part.
I am not so happy about this. I'll have a bit more of a think about it but I feel like the whole thing is getting over-complicated and drifting away from my original intent.
Revised version here: https://soundcloud.com/blinddrew/wild-d ... o4yz1fP1P5

Think I'll leave this for a few days and get on with guitar building. :headbang:
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby blinddrew » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:24 pm

Kwackman wrote:
blinddrew wrote:Kwackman:
Are there two guitars (or 3?!) playing throughout this song?
Just the one.

:blush: OK, so that gives you an indication of the level of my forensic production skills!!
It is running through a ping-pong delay to be fair... :)
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby RichardT » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:03 pm

blinddrew wrote:I have made changes. I am not sure they are all good changes.
I've put a bit of multi-band compressor on the jangly bit of the electric guitar part. I've also got a ducker on there triggered by the vocal. In combo I think this is providing a bit more separation.
I've added a smidge more vocal to the main room reverb as well, and I've copied and pasted the last chord before the bridge to give it a bit more interest as well as making the bridge kick in more.
I'm happy with all that.
I've also tried to do some stuff with an acoustic guitar part.
I am not so happy about this. I'll have a bit more of a think about it but I feel like the whole thing is getting over-complicated and drifting away from my original intent.
Revised version here: https://soundcloud.com/blinddrew/wild-d ... o4yz1fP1P5

Think I'll leave this for a few days and get on with guitar building. :headbang:

Hi Drew, your opinion is the one that counts, but for what it’s worth I think the new version is much better, very nice indeed. Taming the guitar jangle and putting the ducking in really makes me feel that the guitarist is sensitive to the vocalist. I think that the acoustic guitar adds something very nice too.

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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby The Elf » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:33 am

Definitely better. I still think the delay is guilding the lilly, but it's less off-putting now.
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby blinddrew » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 am

I'll try bringing a bit more dry in, but switching to a static delay just made it flat and lifeless to my ears.
Still thinking about some of the other suggestions but i'll park it for a bit.

Thanks all. :thumbup:
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby The Elf » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:12 pm

blinddrew wrote:I'll try bringing a bit more dry in, but switching to a static delay just made it flat and lifeless to my ears.
Still thinking about some of the other suggestions but i'll park it for a bit.
Well I'd ditch the delay altogether, but I suspect we would differ on that option! :lol:
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby Eddy Deegan » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:56 pm

Helpfully, or not, I prefer the original version. To me the 'overall sound' of the second version is not so much in keeping with the nature of the song and is less intimate. I also think it sounds too 'FX-y'.
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby Folderol » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:14 pm

This sounds better to me - but what do I know :tongue:
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby CS70 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:37 pm

As usual, 10 engineers, 10 opinions :bouncy: :bouncy:
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby blinddrew » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:47 pm

It was ever thus.
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby John Egan » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:29 pm

Not an engineer but here's an opinion.
As usual, I really like this. A really pretty song with intriguing lyrics and a lovely little instrumental break.
I think I slightly prefer the second version. but it's a mighty close thing. Nice work, Drew.
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby adrian_k » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:46 pm

blinddrew wrote:I have made changes. I am not sure they are all good changes.
I've put a bit of multi-band compressor on the jangly bit of the electric guitar part. I've also got a ducker on there triggered by the vocal. In combo I think this is providing a bit more separation.
I've added a smidge more vocal to the main room reverb as well, and I've copied and pasted the last chord before the bridge to give it a bit more interest as well as making the bridge kick in more.
I'm happy with all that.
I've also tried to do some stuff with an acoustic guitar part.
I am not so happy about this. I'll have a bit more of a think about it but I feel like the whole thing is getting over-complicated and drifting away from my original intent.
Revised version here: https://soundcloud.com/blinddrew/wild-d ... o4yz1fP1P5

Hi - just come across this thread and wanted to say that the song, the feel of the song, and the vocals, are really good. Nice job.

If you are still looking for ideas, FWIW the main change I would want to try is to HPF the guitar send(s) to the delay and reverb. Or if you are already doing that maybe play with the cutoff frequency (increase it) and slope. For me that low end 'ambience' can muddy things up a bit. But that's just me!

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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:49 pm

Thanks for the additional comments folks, I have now come up with a plan C...
This way I can be sure to disappoint everybody! :D
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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby zenguitar » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:04 pm

Ah yes, the old bagpipes and banjo version routine. Never fails to disappoint everyone.

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Re: Second pair of ears please?

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:30 pm

I'm loving this version 2 Drew - the vocal ducking and tweaks make a noticeable improvement to the clarity of your 'message' (I've been A/Bing section by section with the original).

Love the more mellow acoustic guitar that comes in at 0:52 while you sink 'mr.jangles' in the mix, while the hanging chord in the middle at 1:23 really does add impact to the bridge that follows it, as well as to the overall song.

The kick also sits better now, and to my ears sounds more powerful (no doubt you've not changed that at all, but the other changes you've made to the track help with overall clarity and separation).

This is the one for me!


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